71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nothing to add eh? You sure get frustrated fast. Lets try again.

I don't have anything to hide. Yes it bothers me. It bothers me because:

1) I value a modicum of personal privacy.

2) I don't want my data consolidated into a single database where it will be more open to abuse and ID theft. If the system is compromised I lose all my personal data rather than one or two things.

Number_6 you know very well that is most other developed countries the police have much more flexibility in capturing the criminals, with any means necessary. This is one of the main reasons I cannot stand the left in America because they talk about equality, helping people bla bla bla when in reality they are only worried about their own ###. You have to ask yourself would you like to protect children and innocent people from harm or death or would you prefer to worry about some imaginary threat of privacy invasion. You cannot have it both ways..

Hmmm... name a few. Lets talk specifics.

And is the threat of privacy invasion 'imaginary'? Did you read the thesnowman's post on page 26?

[smoke20 0]

#6 nice, block the pm function from board members after you say things like that in pm.

[mawilson 2,133]

Interrelated things. There is a huge difference between someone American committing a crime to someone here illegally committing a crime. Under the status quo not only are the illegal immigrants not being punished more severely for a crime, they are actually being let off..

What is the difference?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

#6 nice, block the pm function from board members after you say things like that in pm.

You mean after you called me out for a fight next time I'm in town. I grew out of that ####### when I was like... 14.

[Heracles 417]

no one is saying that we want the illegals running around freely.... but how is a card going to protect you??

like has been said a few times on this thread already...the money that would be used for this card could be better spent on other areas of preventing illegal immigration that would have more effect then the card....

Preventing illegal immigration.. How so?

People start fear mongering about Big Brother #######; When in reality all a card and a database would store is someone's basic details and whether they are a legal resident of the US or a citizen period. So all of the other BS about the government watching me in the shower and pulling me over because I am Latino is basically ridiculous.

[mawilson 2,133]

Preventing illegal immigration.. How so?

People start fear mongering about Big Brother #######; When in reality all a card and a database would store is someone's basic details and whether they are a legal resident of the US or a citizen period. So all of the other BS about the government watching me in the shower and pulling me over because I am Latino is basically ridiculous.

Many citizens don't want to be enumerated in a "citizen database", can you understand that?

[Marilyn. 340]

maybe preventing isn't the right word...

the card is a bit redundant (we already have passports etc...)and like I said the money could be put to better use elsewhere....

Edited August 20, 2007 by MarilynP

[pedroh 21]

Preventing illegal immigration.. How so?

People start fear mongering about Big Brother #######; When in reality all a card and a database would store is someone's basic details and whether they are a legal resident of the US or a citizen period. So all of the other BS about the government watching me in the shower and pulling me over because I am Latino is basically ridiculous.

Many citizens don't want to be enumerated in a "citizen database", can you understand that?

[smoke20 0]

#6 nice, block the pm function from board members after you say things like that in pm.

You mean after you called me out for a fight next time I'm in town. I grew out of that ####### when I was like... 14.

nobody called you out for a fight. i stated my location. so i wasn't hiding behind my keyboard. when are you going to grow out of your tendency to insult people then lie about what was said in a pm.

[pedroh 21]

no one is saying that we want the illegals running around freely.... but how is a card going to protect you??

like has been said a few times on this thread already...the money that would be used for this card could be better spent on other areas of preventing illegal immigration that would have more effect then the card....

Preventing illegal immigration.. How so?

People start fear mongering about Big Brother #######; When in reality all a card and a database would store is someone's basic details and whether they are a legal resident of the US or a citizen period. So all of the other BS about the government watching me in the shower and pulling me over because I am Latino is basically ridiculous.

LOL.. oh.. sorry i didnt know you knew a lot about immigration, latinos and the police/ICE.. swift plant raid in Georgia?? ahemm.. they even 'arrested'(it wasnt even a legal arrest, no warrants or stuff like that) USC's with hispanic names..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

#6 nice, block the pm function from board members after you say things like that in pm.

You mean after you called me out for a fight next time I'm in town. I grew out of that ####### when I was like... 14.

nobody called you out for a fight. i stated my location. so i wasn't hiding behind my keyboard. when are you going to grow out of your tendency to insult people then lie about what was said in a pm.

Yes you did. No you're lying on top of everything else.

[Heracles 417]

Interrelated things. There is a huge difference between someone American committing a crime to someone here illegally committing a crime. Under the status quo not only are the illegal immigrants not being punished more severely for a crime, they are actually being let off..

What is the difference?

You don't see a difference. You don't see how someone here illegally who is committing crimes is not here because they are poor but only here to continue there crime spree on Americans. You don't see anything wrong with that.

Well maybe not; just look at the pathetic UK justice system. What happened to those 2 kids that kidnapped that other young child from the mall, tortured him and killed him again??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

no one is saying that we want the illegals running around freely.... but how is a card going to protect you??

like has been said a few times on this thread already...the money that would be used for this card could be better spent on other areas of preventing illegal immigration that would have more effect then the card....

Preventing illegal immigration.. How so?

People start fear mongering about Big Brother #######; When in reality all a card and a database would store is someone's basic details and whether they are a legal resident of the US or a citizen period. So all of the other BS about the government watching me in the shower and pulling me over because I am Latino is basically ridiculous.

LOL.. oh.. sorry i didnt know you knew a lot about immigration, latinos and the police/ICE.. swift plant raid in Georgia?? ahemm.. they even 'arrested'(it wasnt even a legal arrest, no warrants or stuff like that) USC's with hispanic names..

Moreover, its never ridiculous to discount the opinions of taxpaying voters who would be potentially targetted in the manner you describe.

[smoke20 0]

#6 nice, block the pm function from board members after you say things like that in pm.

You mean after you called me out for a fight next time I'm in town. I grew out of that ####### when I was like... 14.

nobody called you out for a fight. i stated my location. so i wasn't hiding behind my keyboard. when are you going to grow out of your tendency to insult people then lie about what was said in a pm.

Yes you did. No you're lying on top of everything else.

what ev. your lie you tell it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well maybe not; just look at the pathetic UK justice system. What happened to those 2 kids that kidnapped that other young child from the mall, tortured him and killed him again??

Those kids were UK Citizens (not illegal immigrants) - from poor and abusive backgrounds I might add. And they were minors at the time of the crime. What did you expect the authorities to do?