71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Idiot.

*gives #6 the #1 sign*

its amazing how you keyboard warriors say things on this board, you wouldn't have the courage to say to peoples face.

With all due respect, you do sound like an idiot.

#6 spelled out his reasons for not wanting a National ID card loud and clear -- reasons you

seem unable to comprehend.

well your inbox is full so i can't pm you. i'm still waiting for a reason besides big brother or 1 time at band camp (uk)

How's about telling us why the reasons given are invalid, rather than just saying that they are?

[smoke20 0]

Idiot.

*gives #6 the #1 sign*

its amazing how you keyboard warriors say things on this board, you wouldn't have the courage to say to peoples face.

With all due respect, you do sound like an idiot.

#6 spelled out his reasons for not wanting a National ID card loud and clear -- reasons you

seem unable to comprehend.

well your inbox is full so i can't pm you. i'm still waiting for a reason besides big brother or 1 time at band camp (uk)

How's about telling us why the reasons given are invalid, rather than just saying that they are?

basically because you can give no explaination how it would effect your daily life in a negative way.

[pedroh 21]

Idiot.

*gives #6 the #1 sign*

its amazing how you keyboard warriors say things on this board, you wouldn't have the courage to say to peoples face.

With all due respect, you do sound like an idiot.

#6 spelled out his reasons for not wanting a National ID card loud and clear -- reasons you

seem unable to comprehend.

well your inbox is full so i can't pm you. i'm still waiting for a reason besides big brother or 1 time at band camp (uk)

How's about telling us why the reasons given are invalid, rather than just saying that they are?

basically because you can give no explaination how it would effect your daily life in a negative way.

dude, some people value privacy.. as i said before, if i don't fukc with the govt, the govt should leave me the fukc alone.. as simple as that..

[smoke20 0]

Idiot.

*gives #6 the #1 sign*

its amazing how you keyboard warriors say things on this board, you wouldn't have the courage to say to peoples face.

With all due respect, you do sound like an idiot.

#6 spelled out his reasons for not wanting a National ID card loud and clear -- reasons you

seem unable to comprehend.

well your inbox is full so i can't pm you. i'm still waiting for a reason besides big brother or 1 time at band camp (uk)

How's about telling us why the reasons given are invalid, rather than just saying that they are?

basically because you can give no explaination how it would effect your daily life in a negative way.

dude, some people value privacy.. as i said before, if i don't fukc with the govt, the govt should leave me the fukc alone.. as simple as that..

ok other than you are hispanic & you fear profiling(which is an assumption & not a fact) how will it negatively effect you? its an id card w/ info they already have. if there is nothing to hide i don't understand the problem.

Edited August 20, 2007 by smoke20

[mawilson 2,133]

Basically the main reason is the consolidation of databases in one place, creating

a single point of vulnerability.

Today, a person's identity exists in a hundred different databases. To steal someone's

identity, you need to steal lots of things -- birth certificate, passport or driver's licence,

Social Security card, utility bills, proof of address, etc etc. It takes time to forge or

steal all those things and by the time you've gathered all the necessary documents to

open a bank account (for example), the theft will most likely have been discovered and

a fraud alert placed on that person's credit file.

Now imagine if all that was needed to open a bank account or obtain credit was a

National ID card...... ID fraud would suddenly become a whole lot easier.

[Heracles 417]

Except for most of the terrorists who have committed a terrorist act, or conspired to, got into the US legally or was already a US citizen in the case of the Unabomber and Oklahoma city.

Immigration status has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted for a crime. They committed a crime, the justice system will take care of them. Why should it be treated differently if they are here legally or illegally?

No Bearing! I think you are missing the point of being here illegally. So you are basically saying anyone should be able to walk into our homes setup shop and then if the also break other laws, like rape an murder, we should just treat them like they are an American. I think you need to think of the word 'context'.

Anyway as it stands there is a 2 tier system where illegal immigrants can get away with so many things, because they are undocumented, while everyone else is doing things by the book. What a great message this is sending out to criminals.

[mawilson 2,133]

No Bearing! I think you are missing the point of being here illegally. So you are basically saying anyone should be able to walk into our homes setup shop and then if the also break other laws, like rape an murder, we should just treat them like they are an American. I think you need to think of the word 'context'.

No, but you're talking about two separate things:

(1) walk into our homes and set up shop, and

(2) break other laws, like rape an murder

(1) doesn't imply (2), and (2) doesn't imply (1).

[Heracles 417]

P.S. If you want to start up on poverty - I start at why a large number of illegal immigrants hail from a country with an average annual wage of $1500. I'm guessing you already have an answer on this to the effect that this has nothing to do with why they choose to flout US immigration laws.

Is that the same immigrants who come from one of the richest countries in the world? Or the same immigrants who actually have the RICHEST man in the world living in their country? No speaka engleso when it comes to points like that hey..

[smoke20 0]

Basically the main reason is the consolidation of databases in one place, creating

a single point of vulnerability.

Today, a person's identity exists in a hundred different databases. To steal someone's

identity, you need to steal lots of things -- birth certificate, passport or driver's licence,

Social Security card, utility bills, proof of address, etc etc. It takes time to forge or

steal all those things and by the time you've gathered all the necessary documents to

open a bank account (for example), the theft will most likely have been discovered and

a fraud alert placed on that person's credit file.

Now imagine if all that was needed to open a bank account or obtain credit was a

National ID card...... ID fraud would suddenly become a whole lot easier.

ok it may make it easier for a novice criminal...but lets be honest the id theives you are using as an example are very skilled in this activity now.(they can get your ssn, dob, & almost anything else they need from a credit card app. in your mailbox.) i don't see how a federal database will make it easier for a novice criminal. there will be above normal security i'm sure.

[pedroh 21]

Idiot.

*gives #6 the #1 sign*

its amazing how you keyboard warriors say things on this board, you wouldn't have the courage to say to peoples face.

With all due respect, you do sound like an idiot.

#6 spelled out his reasons for not wanting a National ID card loud and clear -- reasons you

seem unable to comprehend.

well your inbox is full so i can't pm you. i'm still waiting for a reason besides big brother or 1 time at band camp (uk)

How's about telling us why the reasons given are invalid, rather than just saying that they are?

basically because you can give no explaination how it would effect your daily life in a negative way.

dude, some people value privacy.. as i said before, if i don't fukc with the govt, the govt should leave me the fukc alone.. as simple as that..

ok other than you are hispanic & you fear profiling(which is an assumption & not a fact) how will it negatively effect you? its an id card w/ info they already have. if there is nothing to hide i don't understand the problem.

well.. personally, i don't want govt intrusion in my private life just because... sure, if i did something wrong, or got pulled over by the cops.. or i have to buy beer, sure, i can show my id.. no biggie.. but thats one thing...

the other.. is, i've been profiled before.. and it's not something i'm looking forward to repeat.. right now hispanics are profiled just because they look hispanic. they use it as a probable cause, with that new id.. i think there will be more profiling because 'hispanics are 80% of the illegals' and such and such

[Heracles 417]

Nothing to add eh? You sure get frustrated fast. Lets try again.

I don't have anything to hide. Yes it bothers me. It bothers me because:

1) I value a modicum of personal privacy.

2) I don't want my data consolidated into a single database where it will be more open to abuse and ID theft. If the system is compromised I lose all my personal data rather than one or two things.

Number_6 you know very well that is most other developed countries the police have much more flexibility in capturing the criminals, with any means necessary. This is one of the main reasons I cannot stand the left in America because they talk about equality, helping people bla bla bla when in reality they are only worried about their own ###. You have to ask yourself would you like to protect children and innocent people from harm or death or would you prefer to worry about some imaginary threat of privacy invasion. You cannot have it both ways..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

P.S. If you want to start up on poverty - I start at why a large number of illegal immigrants hail from a country with an average annual wage of $1500. I'm guessing you already have an answer on this to the effect that this has nothing to do with why they choose to flout US immigration laws.

Is that the same immigrants who come from one of the richest countries in the world? Or the same immigrants who actually have the RICHEST man in the world living in their country? No speaka engleso when it comes to points like that hey..

The assumption you are clearly making here (which I also pointed out in the other thread as to why the lists you provided about the poorest/most crime ridden cities don't match up) is that wealth is evenly distributed. It isn't.

Edited August 20, 2007 by Number 6

[mawilson 2,133]

ok it may make it easier for a novice criminal...but lets be honest the id theives you are using as an example are very skilled in this activity now.(they can get your ssn, dob, & almost anything else they need from a credit card app. in your mailbox.) i don't see how a federal database will make it easier for a novice criminal. there will be above normal security i'm sure.

No matter how advanced the technology, there is always the human factor involved.

Not everyone will get biometric fingerprint readers and iris scanners and secure

connections to the federal ID database overnight. Many places will continue processing

ID cards the "old-fashioned way" for years to come. Installing the new technology

and training people will cost businesses (and/or the taxpayer) billions of dollars.

The question is why? What does the ID card buy us that we don't already have?

[Marilyn. 340]

no one is saying that we want the illegals running around freely.... but how is a card going to protect you??

like has been said a few times on this thread already...the money that would be used for this card could be better spent on other areas of preventing illegal immigration that would have more effect/affect* then the card....

* not sure which one to use

Edited August 20, 2007 by MarilynP

[Heracles 417]

No Bearing! I think you are missing the point of being here illegally. So you are basically saying anyone should be able to walk into our homes setup shop and then if the also break other laws, like rape an murder, we should just treat them like they are an American. I think you need to think of the word 'context'.

No, but you're talking about two separate things:

(1) walk into our homes and set up shop, and

(2) break other laws, like rape an murder

(1) doesn't imply (2), and (2) doesn't imply (1).

Interrelated things. There is a huge difference between someone American committing a crime to someone here illegally committing a crime. Under the status quo not only are the illegal immigrants not being punished more severely for a crime, they are actually being let off..