71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[Dan J 277]

There is a huuuuuuuuuge difference between forgetting your license to being in a country illegally. I honestly cannot comprehend how people do not see the problem with allowing someone unidentified and with an unknown history to freely roam in a nation, in their own back yard, as this person sees fit.

You didn't read Charles earlier suggest did you?

How many people need to be killed or be a victim of violence before people say enough is enough??

Irrelevant to the discussion. A citizen is just as likely to commit a crime as an illegal might. Should we start deporting citizens too? Maybe to Australia, since that once was a penal colony

How many jobs must they take before people say enough is enough?

Doest matter as long as the unemployment rate stays the same or goes down like it has.

don't lose it or have someone take you to work. why do people think they can drive without having it? hell i learned to have it with me when operating a vehicle at 17 and always have.

Because you're still a licenced driver even if you don't have a plastic card to prove it.

Just like you're still a U.S. citizen, even if you don't always have your U.S. passport handy to prove it.

P.S. You can drive without a licence in the UK - if you're stopped, you have 14 days to produce your

full driver's licence to a police station. (Boo-Yah - it is the same in Australia.)

most states still require you to have the license with you while operating the vehicle.

But they don't toss you in jail for not having it with you. They either fine you, or require you to show your ID at the police station or courthouse within a certain amount of days.

perhaps they should. then they can sort out who's legal and who's not.

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

i always have my wallet and id with me

[Dan J 277]

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

i always have my wallet and id with me

So in other words you don't want to answer the question

[Heracles 417]

There is a huuuuuuuuuge difference between forgetting your license to being in a country illegally. I honestly cannot comprehend how people do not see the problem with allowing someone unidentified and with an unknown history to freely roam in a nation, in their own back yard, as this person sees fit.

You didn't read Charles earlier suggest did you?

How many people need to be killed or be a victim of violence before people say enough is enough??

Irrelevant to the discussion. A citizen is just as likely to commit a crime as an illegal might. Should we start deporting citizens too? Maybe to Australia, since that once was a penal colony

How many jobs must they take before people say enough is enough?

Doest matter as long as the unemployment rate stays the same or goes down like it has.

A citizen has a right to be in this nation. Whereas someone who is here illegally should be on their best freakin behavior to support their apparent reason of only coming here because they're poor. Murders caused by illegal immigrants are preventable and should not be happening period. Not even one. It looks like your suggesting sh!t happens therefore you would rather a few Americans be killed by illegal immigrants every now and then than someone latino being asked to produce ID..

This goes back to my original point that in America no one knows, anymore, who is in this country and what their background is. Therefore all of this anti-terror efforts have being canceled out by the 12 million people here illegally; peope who the government has no idea about..

Most of all, if a freakin illegal immigrant realizes that they can jump in through the back door, so will a terrorist..

Edited August 20, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[JamalNTam 1]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

if you're already pulled.. it's different than pulling your or trying to ID you just because you have an accent.. there's no probable cause just because you're called Jose or Mohammed and have a funny accent..

I am saying if you are pulled over in general. How many people are pulled over because they are called Jose or Mohammed?? Police must have bionic-man vision..

Consider the US is such a safe place with so little crime I am sure the police, who have nothing better to do, will pull over Jose Rodriguez to find out if he is legal. Come on now..

oh they do.. go tho little towns around HWY 95 close to the NC/SC border... you'll see how many amigos get pulled just cuz.. i've heard the lamest of excuses (no htey havent pulled me) to pull the hispanic drivers..

Well according to this the pull-over rate is more or less the same. That's surprising to me - but without looking at the study's methodology its hard to critique. It does say though that blacks and hispanics are more often subject to search and arrest.

Yup - cops are more likley to pull someone over if they are hispanic or black! When me and Jamal went back to Philly for a visit, we got pulled over twice in 3 days!! Each time, they followed us for about 5 mins, and then flashed a bright light into the car (nearly blinding us). The only reasons they pulled us over was 1) a check and 2) they got the number plate wrong!!! hmmmm .. i wonder if Jamal was white this would have happened.....

[JamalNTam 1]

Most of all, if a freakin illegal immigrant realizes that they can jump in through the back door, so will a terrorist..

Alot of terrorists are legally in the countries they eventually terrorize. Take for instance the doctors that were in the UK legally, and planned the recent bomb plots that were discovered in London and Glasgow ....

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

i always have my wallet and id with me

So in other words you don't want to answer the question

it's more like i don't see how the question is worth asking if i always have id with me

[Dan J 277]

There is a huuuuuuuuuge difference between forgetting your license to being in a country illegally. I honestly cannot comprehend how people do not see the problem with allowing someone unidentified and with an unknown history to freely roam in a nation, in their own back yard, as this person sees fit.

You didn't read Charles earlier suggest did you?

How many people need to be killed or be a victim of violence before people say enough is enough??

Irrelevant to the discussion. A citizen is just as likely to commit a crime as an illegal might. Should we start deporting citizens too? Maybe to Australia, since that once was a penal colony

How many jobs must they take before people say enough is enough?

Doest matter as long as the unemployment rate stays the same or goes down like it has.

A citizen has a right to be in this nation. Whereas someone who is here illegally should be on their best freakin behavior to support their apparent reason of only coming here because they're poor. Murders caused by illegal immigrants are preventable and should not be happening period. Not even one. It looks like your suggesting sh!t happens therefore you would rather a few Americans be killed by illegal immigrants every now and then than someone latino being asked to produce ID..

This goes back to my original point that in America no one knows, anymore, who is in this country and what their background is. Therefore all of this anti-terror efforts have being canceled out by the 12 million people here illegally; peope who the government has no idea about..

Most of all, if a freakin illegal immigrant realizes that they can jump in through the back door, so will a terrorist..

Except for most of the terrorists who have committed a terrorist act, or conspired to, got into the US legally or was already a US citizen in the case of the Unabomber and Oklahoma city.

Immigration status has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted for a crime. They committed a crime, the justice system will take care of them. Why should it be treated differently if they are here legally or illegally?

[bszoom42 0]

After reading 25 pages of opinions, I would say my opinion is I would rather the government focus on reducing service center backlog on filing before instituting another document which could potentially increase backlogs.

Imagine if there was only a one week backlog to adjustment of status, removing conditions, advanced parole, employment authorization, or filing a I-129F or I-130 petition...

Now that would be something!

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

Immigration status has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted for a crime. They committed a crime, the justice system will take care of them. Why should it be treated differently if they are here legally or illegally?

allegedly. and here's proof of that...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0

[mawilson 2,133]

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

i always have my wallet and id with me

So in other words you don't want to answer the question

it's more like i don't see how the question is worth asking if i always have id with me

Even when you shower or go to bed?

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

So you wouldn't mind being treated like an illegal alien until you can prove diffrently?

i always have my wallet and id with me

So in other words you don't want to answer the question

it's more like i don't see how the question is worth asking if i always have id with me

Even when you shower or go to bed?

um this is was in reference to driving and having id/dl with me, mkay?

Edited August 20, 2007 by charlesandnessa

[Artegal 1]

Immigration status has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted for a crime. They committed a crime, the justice system will take care of them. Why should it be treated differently if they are here legally or illegally?

allegedly. and here's proof of that...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0

Normally one would agree that immigration status has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted for a crime. But that is just not true. For one many international treaties would require that the alien's consulate be notified of the arrest. Two, even in simple traffic court in my county the Judge instructed in spanish that one may not want to plead guilty to the ticket because a conviction could affect your status in the US. There are other cases where immigration status does cause the prosecution of someone to be handled differently. For example delays or special prosecution in order to find a competent court appointed translator or other specialized legal counsel. So to just say it has no bearing on how a person is prosecuted is really being ignorant of reality.

Edited August 20, 2007 by Artegal

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Whereas in the US people like yourself, who go on and on about poverty, don't seem to care that they are taking jobs from Americans living in poverty. And are more worried about someone like Pedroh being asked to produce ID. The whole point of ID cards or asking for residency status is to put the squeeze on illegal immigrants. To send out the message that the US is no longer open for business for illegal immigrants. It has absolutely nothing to do with discriminating against Latinos.

Lets see - as someone who immigrated legally to this country and has the right to work, I should feel guilty about taking a job because I'm taking away from a US Citizen? Hmmm... That's rather dumb...

Has nothing whatsoever, at all to do with the point that legal USC latinos would be discriminated against under a policy that foreign visitors and AOS applicants carry an expensive and irrelevant card. That discrimination has happened in the past, reason enough to expect that it would happen again.

P.S. If you want to start up on poverty - I start at why a large number of illegal immigrants hail from a country with an average annual wage of $1500. I'm guessing you already have an answer on this to the effect that this has nothing to do with why they choose to flout US immigration laws.

[Marilyn. 340]

You have an uncanny talent for forgetting and going back on what you said earlier.

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID. It's not just a matter of law enforcement. If someone is pulled over and the police have probable cause, IE EG a freakin accent, they should be permitted to ask for further residency verification.

i.e. means 'that is'.

Instead of automatically accusing someone of saying something you don't like, why not ask them to clarify what they meant? Rather than trying to corner them off.

If the police pulled someone over for XYZ and they had an accent they should be allowed to ask for their residency status; if they believed that their status was questionable. For example, not having a drivers licence on them. As is the case in numerous other developed nations. It is common sense really. Clearly someone with an accent was not born in a nation therefore will be further scrutinized than someone else.. Especially in a country like america where illegal immigration is such a huge problem.

that is the funniest thing I have read....

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