71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[pedroh 21]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

yea i know

[Dan J 277]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

Well you know what they say...

Assumption is the mother of all **-ups...

Have your continued plea for doing nothing out of the fear of doing something wrong. I have said my peace and 71% of Americans have also said their peace. Stay tuned next year. The candidate that runs on a strong anti-illegal platform will have the advantage. I don't need a crystal ball to see that.

Please continue, I am done here.

No, 71% of 800 people have answered an biased question with an answer that seems to support your rhetoric.

[Marilyn. 340]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

illegals wouldn't have a card either would they??

yeah exactly. Hence the need for a national ID card

If someone has no ID card, no license, no passport no birth certificate or any other type of verifiable ID then the police have enough probable cause to investigate further.

but why do we need the extra card?? I think the fact that the person has no type of ID regardless of the fact of he/she has the national ID or not is evidence enough to investigate further

Edited August 20, 2007 by MarilynP

[pedroh 21]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

if you're already pulled.. it's different than pulling your or trying to ID you just because you have an accent.. there's no probable cause just because you're called Jose or Mohammed and have a funny accent..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

Well you know what they say...

Assumption is the mother of all **-ups...

Have your continued plea for doing nothing out of the fear of doing something wrong. I have said my peace and 71% of Americans have also said their peace. Stay tuned next year. The candidate that runs on a strong anti-illegal platform will have the advantage. I don't need a crystal ball to see that.

Please continue, I am done here.

Where did I advocate doing 'nothing'? I suggested financing and reforming the current agencies before we rush to bring in schemes of questionable value to the taxpayer. Just because you have a hard-on for this idea and are standing behind an arbitrary poll result that means ** all, it doesn't mean that everyone else has to like it.

[Caladan 19]

Probable cause for what? This is going to be like the 'arrest them for aiding and abetting' bit. "Aiding and abetting what?" "Oh, just generalized aiding and abetting." "And conspiracy."

Probable cause has to give rise to reasonable suspicion of specific wrongdoing. All an accent proves is that you might not have been born in the U.S., which is not a crime. Honest.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

Unless you forgot your wallet at home.

[Heracles 417]

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID.

I agree 100%. We don't need a National ID card to enforce all of the above.

I agree as long as someone carries one of x identification cards which can prove their residency status. Be it a passport, a green card, drivers licence or the 'current' state ID cards indicating their residency status.

[Dan J 277]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

Unless you forgot your wallet at home.

Then you might be spending a night with Bubba.

[Heracles 417]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

Unless you forgot your wallet at home.

Well actually green card holders are required to carry their ID at all times. Same goes with your drivers licence when driving. If you forgot it at home then the police should be able to follow you home and verify you forgot your wallet.

[Marilyn. 340]

I am sure the money that it would take to bring this to fruition could be better spent in other areas of preventing illegal immigration....

[Heracles 417]

Probable cause for what? This is going to be like the 'arrest them for aiding and abetting' bit. "Aiding and abetting what?" "Oh, just generalized aiding and abetting." "And conspiracy."

Probable cause has to give rise to reasonable suspicion of specific wrongdoing. All an accent proves is that you might not have been born in the U.S., which is not a crime. Honest.

The same probable cause the police can use to pull somebody over. So if I am pulled over for speeding, a police officer should be allowed to ask for my green card. If I am here lawfully I will not have a problem handing it over, right??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.

Unless you forgot your wallet at home.

Well actually green card holders are required to carry their ID at all times. Same goes with your drivers licence when driving. If you forgot it at home then the police should be able to follow you home and verify you forgot your wallet.

Not everyone does - as the recent VJ poll showed.

I'll have to tell that to my MIL - who was given a $300 fine for forgetting her drivers license in the house. Less than 100 yards away from where she was stopped (for a broken tail light). She actually hadn't forgotten it, it had fallen out of her bag in the passenger foot well.

[pedroh 21]

Probable cause for what? This is going to be like the 'arrest them for aiding and abetting' bit. "Aiding and abetting what?" "Oh, just generalized aiding and abetting." "And conspiracy."

Probable cause has to give rise to reasonable suspicion of specific wrongdoing. All an accent proves is that you might not have been born in the U.S., which is not a crime. Honest.

The same probable cause the police can use to pull somebody over. So if I am pulled over for speeding, a police officer should be allowed to ask for my green card. If I am here lawfully I will not have a problem handing it over, right??

again is not after you've done something.. is pulling you over just because you look foreigner.. not because you were speeding or drunk driving

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am sure the money that it would take to bring this to fruition could be better spent in other areas of preventing illegal immigration....

Absolutely. I don't get why that is apparently so unreasonable...