71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[mawilson 2,133]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

[pedroh 21]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

oh lol. @ the shack, i met a couple of USC's like that.. they didn't have jack..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Something would be working with and fixing the institutions and programmes we already have, rather than reinventing the wheel. It isn't hard to understand...

Fixing in what way?

Well for one - how cops have to let illegals go because ICE doesn't move quick enough to deport them.

[Dan J 277]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

They wouldn't exactly have an ID card either now would they, unless of course they got a forged one. So yes, We are back to square one, Natioal ID does nothing to fix illegal immigration, but to add unnecessary beuracracy and costs. Still have to pay people to do the enforcement.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

Well you know what they say...

Assumption is the mother of all **-ups...

[Heracles 417]

Since requiring aliens to carry a card only applies to aliens then you can't frame the question with us losing any part of our privacy.

Well - no - because simply requiring aliens to carry an ID card is useless, unless you

want to enforce the requirement by giving the police powers to stop and demand ID,

which would then apply to aliens and citizens alike.

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID. It's not just a matter of law enforcement. If someone is pulled over and the police have probable cause, IE EG a freakin accent, they should be permitted to ask for further residency verification.

I am sure the police have better things to do than pull over every latino to check their status.

[Caladan 19]

How do you know the status they verified is correct? The legal system doesn't take sorta correct as an absolute.

It is sad to see that some Americans are more concerned about rights and someone being asked for ID than preventing murders and violence committed by illegal immigrants. the whole point of a POE card would be to make it harder for illegal immigrants to live here.

That's what it means to live in a free society. Those who would trade liberty for a little security deserve neither. You know how the saying goes.

But to take your point seriously, I don't think that a POE card would make it any harder for illegals to get here and get around here and live here, because the same information is already in passports and I-94s. It's naive to think that someone was GOING to get false papers and a fake visa and pay a smuggler but OH NO that card was just too hard to fake. College kids still fake driver's licenses and those are going to have more security features than any printed card at a POE.

Putting it on a card might make a nice political soundbite, but it isn't going to give the local cops anything to arrest anyone with because their charter isn't immigration laws.

And I'd rather have the cops track down murderers than spend their time demanding proof of citizenship.

[pedroh 21]

Since requiring aliens to carry a card only applies to aliens then you can't frame the question with us losing any part of our privacy.

Well - no - because simply requiring aliens to carry an ID card is useless, unless you

want to enforce the requirement by giving the police powers to stop and demand ID,

which would then apply to aliens and citizens alike.

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID. It's not just a matter of law enforcement. If someone is pulled over and the police have probable cause, IE EG a freakin accent, they should be permitted to ask for further residency verification.

I am sure the police have better things to do than pull over every latino to check their status.

that's the thing, a foreign accent shouldn't be probable cause!!!

yeah, if the guy is speeding.. and then he looks like a foreigner, then yea probably the cops will ask for immigration status, cuz for the residents it's necssary to carry the green card.. but just because you look foreigner, is not probable cause, it's bs

[Dan J 277]

Since requiring aliens to carry a card only applies to aliens then you can't frame the question with us losing any part of our privacy.

Well - no - because simply requiring aliens to carry an ID card is useless, unless you

want to enforce the requirement by giving the police powers to stop and demand ID,

which would then apply to aliens and citizens alike.

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID. It's not just a matter of law enforcement. If someone is pulled over and the police have probable cause, IE EG a freakin accent, they should be permitted to ask for further residency verification.

I am sure the police have better things to do than pull over every latino to check their status.

Just like the patriot act has led to powers being used in investigations other than terrorism. This will also very likely lead to many of the same abuses. How would you as a USC or LPR like to spend a night in jail because you forgot to bring your national ID card with you when you went out.

[Caladan 19]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

[Heracles 417]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

illegals wouldn't have a card either would they??

yeah exactly. Hence the need for a national ID card

If someone has no ID card, no license, no passport no birth certificate or any other type of verifiable ID then the police have enough probable cause to investigate further.

[GaryC 7]

but the passport is scanable and I am sure if they scan it it will show her status...

What about illegal immigrants? How scanable are their passports?

thats the point... if they don't have a passport... they might be illegal....

What about U.S. citizens who don't have a passport or driver's licence?

Are they illegal too?

Well you know what they say...

Assumption is the mother of all **-ups...

Have your continued plea for doing nothing out of the fear of doing something wrong. I have said my peace and 71% of Americans have also said their peace. Stay tuned next year. The candidate that runs on a strong anti-illegal platform will have the advantage. I don't need a crystal ball to see that.

Please continue, I am done here.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well yeah. You would think that that is a no brainer.. If someone tries to buy a house, car, open a bank account, send their child to school, rent, get a drivers license, credit card, work, use any government services etc they should be asked to provide appropriate ID.

I agree 100%. We don't need a National ID card to enforce all of the above.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Uh-huh-huh-huh-hah!

[Heracles 417]

An accent is probable cause? An accent?

Well yeah. If I am pulled over by a cop I would almost expect to be asked to prove that I am here lawfully. With a national ID card or my green card I can do this in about 10 seconds.