71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[Caladan 19]

Like, a valid I-94?

[Caladan 19]

And what does the officer do after that? Personally drive them over the border? Turn them over to ICE?

If you want to crack down on immigration, you're going to have to fund ICE more because the problem isn't that local cops aren't doing their job, it's that local cops aren't immigration police. Pulling federal funding from cities for not having the authority to deport people is barking up the wrong tree. It's like wondering why the Department of Agriculture isn't processing AOS.

[Caladan 19]

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

[GaryC 7]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman wouldn't be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

And what does the officer do after that? Personally drive them over the border? Turn them over to ICE?

If you want to crack down on immigration, you're going to have to fund ICE more because the problem isn't that local cops aren't doing their job, it's that local cops aren't immigration police. Pulling federal funding from cities for not having the authority to deport people is barking up the wrong tree. It's like wondering why the Department of Agriculture isn't processing AOS.

I would quadruple ICE's budget. I would make it a law that any law official that finds an alien without the card would be turned over to ICE for evaluation. It's time to crack down in a real way.

Edited August 19, 2007 by GaryC

[Jenn! 918]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

[Caladan 19]

So basically you're suggesting we give them ANOTHER special I-94, with an expiration date, that still won't help people like Luz whose 'card' expires on the date they're supposed to leave (the end of the validity of the K-1).

And again, what does the cop do with that information? Arrest the person? On what charge? Their jurisdiction isn't immigration law. You can make all the ID cards in the world and that's not going to a blessed thing without having something to do afterwards. Your solution would have us double the paperwork with no practical result.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

Indeed. Given that when you apply for AOS you are applying for an ID card (AKA Permanent Resident Card) anyway, adding another card in the interim period while you are waiting would seem rather un-necessary. Not to mention adding another layer of bureaucracy and a questionable use of taxpayers money.

[GaryC 7]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

Luz does not have a valid I-94. It expired in July. Yet she is legal. And how many aliens carry their passports everywhere they go? This would streamline the identification process. Hey, all of you can try to punch holes in it if you want but 71% of Americans want this and so do I.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

Luz does not have a valid I-94. It expired in July. Yet she is legal. And how many aliens carry their passports everywhere they go? This would streamline the identification process. Hey, all of you can try to punch holes in it if you want but 71% of Americans want this and so do I.

As pointed out previously the average person has no idea of how the immigration process works - which makes ideas like this ID scheme seem incredibly naive. Standing behind 71% of people who have little or no knowledge of how immigration works is a vote for ignorance IMO.

[Caladan 19]

Gary, think this through. They'll give Luz an ID card at the border. An ID card THAT WILL EXPIRE AFTER 90 DAYS JUST LIKE THE I-94. They're not going to give out unlimited time limit ID cards to fiancees.

Cop pulls her over, thinks she looks Mexican, sees that her ID card expired and then what? County jail until ICE sorts it out?

[GaryC 7]

So basically you're suggesting we give them ANOTHER special I-94, with an expiration date, that still won't help people like Luz whose 'card' expires on the date they're supposed to leave (the end of the validity of the K-1).

And again, what does the cop do with that information? Arrest the person? On what charge? Their jurisdiction isn't immigration law. You can make all the ID cards in the world and that's not going to a blessed thing without having something to do afterwards. Your solution would have us double the paperwork with no practical result.

When she files for AOS a new card with a new date is sent along with the NOA1. Cards like this are not expensive to make.

I would also make it every cops jurisdiction to report to ICE any alien they find that does not have a alien card. If all they have to do is ask for a card it isn't a big imposition. I would also vastly increase the budget of ICE.

[Jenn! 918]

Luz does not have a valid I-94. It expired in July. Yet she is legal. And how many aliens carry their passports everywhere they go? This would streamline the identification process. Hey, all of you can try to punch holes in it if you want but 71% of Americans want this and so do I.

Have you considered that 71% of Americans want this because they essentially know nothing about immigration and I-94's?

And entering on a K1 would not get you an expiration date on any new ID card that is later than what is already on the I-94. Perhaps you think then they would need to issue a new ID card to K1 visa holders adjusting status with the NOA1 from the I-485. But what expiration date would they put on that?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When you're between statuses - you can always get one of these....

[GaryC 7]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

Luz does not have a valid I-94. It expired in July. Yet she is legal. And how many aliens carry their passports everywhere they go? This would streamline the identification process. Hey, all of you can try to punch holes in it if you want but 71% of Americans want this and so do I.

As pointed out previously the average person has no idea of how the immigration process works - which makes ideas like this ID scheme seem incredibly naive. Standing behind 71% of people who have little or no knowledge of how immigration works is a vote for ignorance IMO.

Yes that is your opinion, and it's a wrong opinion. We can do this and it will not be naive. Other countries can control the aliens in their country and so can we.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like, a valid I-94?

Look at this board, a lot of us have a hard time telling what is legal and what isn't. We need a single universal way of identifying who is here legally and who isn't. That way the cops don't have the excuse of "it isn't my job to figure that out". Right now the average layman would be able to tell. Look at Luz, she does not have a valid I-94, her visa is expired but since I have filed for her AOS she is legal.

Is the universal ID card going to apply to every tourist that comes to the U.S., too? We had 64 million visitors to the U.S. last year.

These are questions that have to be taken seriously if they're going to be thrown out there as solutions to the 'gatecrasher' problem.

Yes, you are issued a card at the POE with an expiration date that reflects the day your visa expires.

Again, called the I-94. Why add another layer to this when it would be a lot easier to just educate people about what an I-94 looks like?

Luz does not have a valid I-94. It expired in July. Yet she is legal. And how many aliens carry their passports everywhere they go? This would streamline the identification process. Hey, all of you can try to punch holes in it if you want but 71% of Americans want this and so do I.

As pointed out previously the average person has no idea of how the immigration process works - which makes ideas like this ID scheme seem incredibly naive. Standing behind 71% of people who have little or no knowledge of how immigration works is a vote for ignorance IMO.

Yes that is your opinion, and it's a wrong opinion. We can do this and it will not be naive. Other countries can control the aliens in their country and so can we.

Why is it wrong Gary? You're advocating the ideas of people who have no idea how immigration works. Its clear from the idea being presented - adding another layer of pointless bureaucracy for people who are between statuses. I don't doubt that things need to be tightened up - but giving an ID card for people already applying for an ID card (AKA Green Card) is ridiculous.