71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[mawilson 2,133]

As mentioned earlier - why don't we just go the whole hog and implant microchips in people? If its good enough for man's best friend, it must be good enough for man.

As ridiculous as it sounds, the technology is already here -- approved by the US FDA:

"The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved a gimmick from Florida-based

Applied Digital Solutions to chip people with RFID implants - previously confined to tracking

animals - thereby making it easy to access their medical records, even when they cannot,

or would rather not, cooperate.

The tiny, passive RFID devices, called VeriChips, are injected under the hide. They do not

contain the medical data in question, but instead store a unique ID number that is used to

access records on a remote server maintained by Applied Digital, using a handheld reader.

The chips are legal in numerous applications, but cannot be used as medical devices without

FDA approval - which they now have got."

[Heracles 417]

Every other nation eh? Like.... what... exactly...?

You think illegal immigration isn't rampant in Europe - including those countries which have national ID cards?

lol. Trying something as simple as opening a bank account in the UK or obtaining a tax file number. As an Australian citizen it took my friend weeks.. Same goes with him getting a job. He had to provide ample identification and proof of lawful work status.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How's about funding and reforming the existing agencies. Allowing them to do their jobs and telling us what they need - rather than political candidates coming up with crackpot ideas.

What about the police? ICE will never be able to cover as much of the country as the police would. The whole point of the ID card is to, for once, make it harder for illegal immigrants to live in this country. Also harder for employers to exploit illegal immigrants.. With such a card, along with a passport and SSN, an employer cannot play dumb and say they did not know they where illegal.

As I said - reforming the existing agencies has to be first on anyone's agenda. Without that - the card (or lack of one) doesn't translate to 'enforcement'.

[mawilson 2,133]

More on VeriChips:

VeriChips cloned by hackers

"Hackers demonstrated how to clone a copy of an human-implanted RFID chip at a hacking

conference this week. The demonstration goes against claims from people-chipping firm

VeriChip that its technology, the subject of the experiment, can uniquely identify an individual.

By cloning a chip it would be possible to assume someone's identity, at least in situations where

VeriChip devices are used as the sole means of identification."

[...]

Cloning a Verichip

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Every other nation eh? Like.... what... exactly...?

You think illegal immigration isn't rampant in Europe - including those countries which have national ID cards?

lol. Trying something as simple as opening a bank account in the UK or obtaining a tax file number. As an Australian citizen it took my friend weeks.. Same goes with him getting a job. He had to provide ample identification and proof of lawful work status.

Which is why people work under the table there. Same as they do in the US.

[Heracles 417]

There are citizens who are in the minorities. Even Australians are a minority in this country.

So unless your saying non-white citizens are second class...

In Australia everyone has to satisfy the 100 points ID system to open bank accounts, get a drivers licence etc.. Even as an Australian citizen there are numerous jobs that have asked for my passport..

[Artegal 1]

My wife and I ran into this same problem with a recent medical specialist. They requested a copy of our ID and also took my wife's photo--she was the patient in this case. I found this to be stupid and unnecessary. For one I was the guarantor of the medical bill and I presented two forms of valid ID: a insurance card and a Visa Check Card. And number two we were in that office based on a referral from our Primary Care doctor--so the assumption that we are whom we say we are should have been a forgone conclusion. Those two alone are sufficient. Anyway will not be returning to that doctor.

That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, for the doctor to ask for id from the guarantor and the patient. A doctor needs to file his claim directly with the insurance company, and cannot rely on submitting it through your primary care physician. The insurance reimbursement process is not a simple one.

But if you were sent to the specialist from the primary care physician with a signed primary care physician referral form in your hand and you have your insurance card with your full name DOB and your listed primary care physician and you then pay the co-pay with a Visa check card that also has your corresponding name on it--its really unreasonable to ask for more ID when you have plenty of corraborating evidence.

[Dan J 277]

How's about funding and reforming the existing agencies. Allowing them to do their jobs and telling us what they need - rather than political candidates coming up with crackpot ideas.

What about the police? ICE will never be able to cover as much of the country as the police would. The whole point of the ID card is to, for once, make it harder for illegal immigrants to live in this country. Also harder for employers to exploit illegal immigrants.. With such a card, along with a passport and SSN, an employer cannot play dumb and say they did not know they where illegal.

It is not and probably will never be the job of the local police to deal with immigration issues. They can report a person to the ICE, but if the ICE doesn't follow up, they have to let them go.

Maybe a bit harder, just need a few corrupt employees in the National ID program and well free National Ids for all. You can be a citizen for a bit of a bribe to the right person. You really want to trust a process like that?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There are citizens who are in the minorities. Even Australians are a minority in this country.

So unless your saying non-white citizens are second class...

In Australia everyone has to satisfy the 100 points ID system to open bank accounts, get a drivers licence etc.. Even as an Australian citizen there are numerous jobs that have asked for my passport..

I know several people (friends of mine) who have worked illegally in Oz

[Dan J 277]

There are citizens who are in the minorities. Even Australians are a minority in this country.

So unless your saying non-white citizens are second class...

In Australia everyone has to satisfy the 100 points ID system to open bank accounts, get a drivers licence etc.. Even as an Australian citizen there are numerous jobs that have asked for my passport..

If you like that kind of system, what are you doing here?

[Heracles 417]

More on VeriChips:

VeriChips cloned by hackers

I would like to see them clone something stored in a central database. Cloning chips is useless if your biometrics are stored in a read-only secure government sever..

[Dan J 277]

More on VeriChips:

VeriChips cloned by hackers

"Hackers demonstrated how to clone a copy of an human-implanted RFID chip at a hacking

conference this week. The demonstration goes against claims from people-chipping firm

VeriChip that its technology, the subject of the experiment, can uniquely identify an individual.

By cloning a chip it would be possible to assume someone's identity, at least in situations where

VeriChip devices are used as the sole means of identification."

[...]

Cloning a Verichip

I was going to say that, but anything with a unique piece of data, can be read and written into something else.

More on VeriChips:

VeriChips cloned by hackers

I would like to see them clone something stored in a central database. Cloning chips is useless if your biometrics are stored in a read-only secure government sever..

Don't need to, by cloning the chip all you are is assuming someone else's identity.

There is no such thing as a read only database, the data has to get in somehow. Find the right person and pay them to not follow verification procedures and you have yourself a new ID.

Edited August 20, 2007 by Dan + Gemvita

[Heracles 417]

Maybe a bit harder, just need a few corrupt employees in the National ID program and well free National Ids for all. You can be a citizen for a bit of a bribe to the right person. You really want to trust a process like that?

So what is the alternative?? do nothing and pretend the problem will go away. The US already tried that; hence the status quo..

[mawilson 2,133]

More on VeriChips:

VeriChips cloned by hackers

I would like to see them clone something stored in a central database. Cloning chips is useless if your biometrics are stored in a read-only secure government sever..

It can't be "read-only" - biometrics will be added and deleted all the time.

Biometrics can also change - people lose eyes and fingers, bricklayers lose fingerprints, etc.

[Dan J 277]

Maybe a bit harder, just need a few corrupt employees in the National ID program and well free National Ids for all. You can be a citizen for a bit of a bribe to the right person. You really want to trust a process like that?

So what is the alternative?? do nothing and pretend the problem will go away. The US already tried that; hence the status quo..

Give more money to ICE to do their job. We will have to anyway, why do we need National ID to go with it?