71% Favor Requiring Foreign Visitors to Carry Universal ID Card

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you are advocating a police state?

Its amazing to me that you pour scorn on the idea of 'the nanny state', but seem to have no problem with something much worse.

The US is far from a police state. In reality it is called enforcing the rules and laws to protect the people. In London I cannot sneeze without being monitored yet in a post 9/11 US, people can simply jump a fence and take up residence; at their own leisure..

PS I find that the same people who are against law enforcement and government intervention are also against people taking up arms to protect themselves.

You're confusing your tenses. 'is' is not 'will be'.

PS - you're on a wild tangent again...

[Marilyn. 340]

there are only more Hispanics illegals because they have easier access to the US.. if US was next door to China.. I bet the majority of illegal immigrants would be Chinese...

[Heracles 417]

You're confusing your tenses. 'is' is not 'will be'.

PS - you're on a wild tangent again...

call it whatever you like. I can try to explain it on a simpler level, for you, if need be.

You can't blame this one on poverty or density..

there are only more Hispanics illegals because they have easier access to the US.. if US was next door to China.. I bet the majority of illegal immigrants would be Chinese...

Yes so they would most likely be targeted. Therefore nothing to do with discrimination but rather volume..

[Marilyn. 340]

so just because you are Hispanic you should pay for what the illegal immigrants have done??

my hubby is Hispanic... so it is ok for him to get pulled over just because he his Hispanic and they might suspect him of being illegal??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You're confusing your tenses. 'is' is not 'will be'.

PS - you're on a wild tangent again...

call it whatever you like. I can try to explain it on a simpler level, for you, if need be.

You can't blame this one on poverty or density..

I didn't think I was...

[Heracles 417]

so just because you are Hispanic you should pay for what the illegal immigrants have done??

my hubby is Hispanic... so it is ok for him to get pulled over just because he his Hispanic and they might suspect him of being illegal??

No but 'if' your husband is pulled over, his status should be verified.. It should be up to him to prove he is legally authorized to reside in the nation and not the other way around.

Edited August 19, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think we should talk specifics. What exact circumstances would entail a person being singled out and required to produce ID?

So far I've seen plenty of assumption about random police sweeps. How exactly would this be enforced?

[GaryC 7]

I think we should talk specifics. What exact circumstances would entail a person being singled out and required to produce ID?

So far I've seen plenty of assumption about random police sweeps. How exactly would this be enforced?

When you rent a house, when you apply for a job, when your pulled over for speeding, when your arrested for any crime, when you apply for government benefits ect. There are plenty of opportunities without a gestapo style sweep of a neighborhood. If you combine that with a controlled border and stiff penalties for hiring an illegal the problem will be solved a lot quicker than you might think.

[pedroh 21]

so just because you are Hispanic you should pay for what the illegal immigrants have done??

my hubby is Hispanic... so it is ok for him to get pulled over just because he his Hispanic and they might suspect him of being illegal??

agree..

so becase the illegals are hispanic.. the US has the right to pull me more than other immigrants?? that's fukced up, from any point of view.. i hope they fukcin pull me.. oh.. lawsuits are gonna fly

[pedroh 21]

sigh...

so as long as it doesn't bother you or your relatives.. it's ok to implement suchs laws.. you know, everybody knows here.. that the latino brothers (or anybody who looks 'mexican') will be carded, or pulled, more than other nationalities..

why don't we say it's a 'latino legal ID' or 'muslim non terrorist ID' card.. instead of a Universal ID card.... the law, once and again, have been not efficient in identifying potential illegals.. they just look for 'mexicans' and 'muslims'.. oh.. what a big fukcin system..

Well Pedroh, since 80+% of the illegal aliens in the USA are Hispanic I would imagine that any crackdown on illegal aliens will impact Hispanics more than any other group. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Most of the illegal aliens are Mexicans...so within the Hispanic catagory they will be arrested and deported in greater numbers than Guatamalans. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Over and over you try to push this concept that any enforcement of immigration laws is discrimination against Hispanics. Well...Hispanics are the worst violators of American immigration laws. If you wanna play you gotta pay.

That said...immigration laws can be enforced without specifically targeting Hispanics, but since most of the violators are Hispanic...they will be arrested and deported more than any other group. So what?

If you can't do the time...don't do the crime. Don't play the race card when it is totally irrelevant to the issue. Enforcement of the law can easily be done without arbitrary street sweeps and mass violations of civil rights. After 20 years of non-enforcement of existing laws some people may cry foul. So what? It's about time the law was actually enforced and promises by the politicians actually kept!

I'm not trying to be mean...I'm just stating the obvious.

well what if im not 'reaping' or 'playing'.. i dont wanna pay for what other people did.. why should i? why should i get more ####### than other immigrants.. why dont they just make a special latino immigrant category, or i dunno, put a chip on hte legal latinos?

[GaryC 7]

so just because you are Hispanic you should pay for what the illegal immigrants have done??

my hubby is Hispanic... so it is ok for him to get pulled over just because he his Hispanic and they might suspect him of being illegal??

agree..

so becase the illegals are hispanic.. the US has the right to pull me more than other immigrants?? that's fukced up, from any point of view.. i hope they fukcin pull me.. oh.. lawsuits are gonna fly

Oh yeah Pedroh, play the poor persecuted minority. That BS and you know it. No one is going to pull you over just to see your ID. That isn't what anyone is talking about here. Stop playing the race card because it is tired, old and it doesn't work anymore.

[bszoom42 0]

Why does anyone care the race of the illegal or undocumented immigrant? Isn't the discussion at hand whether we agree or disagree that foreign visitors should be required to carry a univeral id card?

[pedroh 21]

so just because you are Hispanic you should pay for what the illegal immigrants have done??

my hubby is Hispanic... so it is ok for him to get pulled over just because he his Hispanic and they might suspect him of being illegal??

agree..

so becase the illegals are hispanic.. the US has the right to pull me more than other immigrants?? that's fukced up, from any point of view.. i hope they fukcin pull me.. oh.. lawsuits are gonna fly

Oh yeah Pedroh, play the poor persecuted minority. That BS and you know it. No one is going to pull you over just to see your ID. That isn't what anyone is talking about here. Stop playing the race card because it is tired, old and it doesn't work anymore.

lol, you know gary, that the hispanic-looking people get pulled more than any other people.. just in case they 'are illegals'.. you can't deny that fact.. and if u deny it, u dont live in the real world.. back where i used to live in Lumberton, cops would pull latinos just because, 'cuz they were playing loud music' 'cuz they dont speak english' 'cuz they were driving late at night'.. you really dont know how does it work in the small towns and hicksvillle usa's.. rather than in the big cities where they can get more protection

[GaryC 7]

sigh...

so as long as it doesn't bother you or your relatives.. it's ok to implement suchs laws.. you know, everybody knows here.. that the latino brothers (or anybody who looks 'mexican') will be carded, or pulled, more than other nationalities..

why don't we say it's a 'latino legal ID' or 'muslim non terrorist ID' card.. instead of a Universal ID card.... the law, once and again, have been not efficient in identifying potential illegals.. they just look for 'mexicans' and 'muslims'.. oh.. what a big fukcin system..

Well Pedroh, since 80+% of the illegal aliens in the USA are Hispanic I would imagine that any crackdown on illegal aliens will impact Hispanics more than any other group. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Most of the illegal aliens are Mexicans...so within the Hispanic catagory they will be arrested and deported in greater numbers than Guatamalans. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Over and over you try to push this concept that any enforcement of immigration laws is discrimination against Hispanics. Well...Hispanics are the worst violators of American immigration laws. If you wanna play you gotta pay.

That said...immigration laws can be enforced without specifically targeting Hispanics, but since most of the violators are Hispanic...they will be arrested and deported more than any other group. So what?

If you can't do the time...don't do the crime. Don't play the race card when it is totally irrelevant to the issue. Enforcement of the law can easily be done without arbitrary street sweeps and mass violations of civil rights. After 20 years of non-enforcement of existing laws some people may cry foul. So what? It's about time the law was actually enforced and promises by the politicians actually kept!

I'm not trying to be mean...I'm just stating the obvious.

well what if im not 'reaping' or 'playing'.. i dont wanna pay for what other people did.. why should i? why should i get more ####### than other immigrants.. why dont they just make a special latino immigrant category, or i dunno, put a chip on hte legal latinos?

The solution is simple, card everyone. I am personally happy to prove my status. They can ask me anytime they want. Your acting like any Latino seen on the street will be pulled over and hassled. Just card them when they come in contact with the government and that would be fine.

[pedroh 21]

sigh...

so as long as it doesn't bother you or your relatives.. it's ok to implement suchs laws.. you know, everybody knows here.. that the latino brothers (or anybody who looks 'mexican') will be carded, or pulled, more than other nationalities..

why don't we say it's a 'latino legal ID' or 'muslim non terrorist ID' card.. instead of a Universal ID card.... the law, once and again, have been not efficient in identifying potential illegals.. they just look for 'mexicans' and 'muslims'.. oh.. what a big fukcin system..

Well Pedroh, since 80+% of the illegal aliens in the USA are Hispanic I would imagine that any crackdown on illegal aliens will impact Hispanics more than any other group. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Most of the illegal aliens are Mexicans...so within the Hispanic catagory they will be arrested and deported in greater numbers than Guatamalans. So what? What you sow is what you reap.

Over and over you try to push this concept that any enforcement of immigration laws is discrimination against Hispanics. Well...Hispanics are the worst violators of American immigration laws. If you wanna play you gotta pay.

That said...immigration laws can be enforced without specifically targeting Hispanics, but since most of the violators are Hispanic...they will be arrested and deported more than any other group. So what?

If you can't do the time...don't do the crime. Don't play the race card when it is totally irrelevant to the issue. Enforcement of the law can easily be done without arbitrary street sweeps and mass violations of civil rights. After 20 years of non-enforcement of existing laws some people may cry foul. So what? It's about time the law was actually enforced and promises by the politicians actually kept!

I'm not trying to be mean...I'm just stating the obvious.

well what if im not 'reaping' or 'playing'.. i dont wanna pay for what other people did.. why should i? why should i get more ####### than other immigrants.. why dont they just make a special latino immigrant category, or i dunno, put a chip on hte legal latinos?

The solution is simple, card everyone. I am personally happy to prove my status. They can ask me anytime they want. Your acting like any Latino seen on the street will be pulled over and hassled. Just card them when they come in contact with the government and that would be fine.

yeah, card anyone, that's not a big deal.. but how can they card someone without a probable cause, just because you 'act like a latino' is not sufficient

and in the long run.. im not defending all the latinos.. im just talking about ME, i dont wanna be inconvenienced more than enought just because of profiling, or bs like that.. i don't care if there are no more sanctuary cities, or whatever, if i dont commit a crime, or do any sh!t, the police and state should leave me alone.. period..

Edited August 19, 2007 by pedroh