THompson would over turn Roe V. Wade

[Reba 2]

I think she means that her guess is that 99% of late term abortions are for the health of the mother, not all abortions.

[Ban Hammer 13,622]

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

what? you come in and challenge a post on the simple basis that you thought a number was a bit high? oh please. then again, why am i surprised at this? mad at myself.

Daniel

:energetic:

do you take everything at face value in vj?

no.. and neither should you. maybe her numbers were off. they were not. but if they were? big woop. her logic was solid man. then you come and quibble about a percentage? man, you must love to argue about anything.

Daniel

:energetic:

i was "quibbling" about the "I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother" when in fact the post i made above indicates it's not 99% were done to preserve the life of the mother. thanks for missing that and being argumentative.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

Arguing over late-term abortion when it rarely ever happens as if it is the most common form of abortion is the about the most dishonest rhetorical tactic on the planet.

comfortable, yes, but are you accurate?

Source of data: Strauss, Lilo T., Herndon, Joy, Chang, Jeani, Parker, Wilda Y., Bowens, Sonya V., Berg, Cynthia J. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As for the 99% that you bolded, do you have anything that would suggest otherwise? Are you indeed claiming that these late term terminations of a pregnancy are done just for the fun of it or just because they can do it? Other than medical and health reasons of the mother, what do you think is the driving factor of late term pregnancy terminations?

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

So, a larger percentage does it just for the fun of it then.

[GaryC 7]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

Arguing over late-term abortion when it rarely ever happens as if it is the most common form of abortion is the about the most dishonest rhetorical tactic on the planet.

comfortable, yes, but are you accurate?

Source of data: Strauss, Lilo T., Herndon, Joy, Chang, Jeani, Parker, Wilda Y., Bowens, Sonya V., Berg, Cynthia J. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As for the 99% that you bolded, do you have anything that would suggest otherwise? Are you indeed claiming that these late term terminations of a pregnancy are done just for the fun of it or just because they can do it? Other than medical and health reasons of the mother, what do you think is the driving factor of late term pregnancy terminations?

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

So, a larger percentage does it just for the fun of it then.

My whole point for bring it up was this. If it means the mother dies if the procedure isn't done then of course it should be done. But I pointed out there was a bill to outlaw 3rd trimester abortions that had a provision to allow it if the mothers life was in danger and Hillary voted against it. That means she is in favor of terminating a viable baby for any reason. While I don't have a real problem with abortion this really seems cold blooded to me. I mean really, if the same baby was delivered by C section it would live for crying out loud! How can you call this anything but infanticide?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

Arguing over late-term abortion when it rarely ever happens as if it is the most common form of abortion is the about the most dishonest rhetorical tactic on the planet.

comfortable, yes, but are you accurate?

Source of data: Strauss, Lilo T., Herndon, Joy, Chang, Jeani, Parker, Wilda Y., Bowens, Sonya V., Berg, Cynthia J. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As for the 99% that you bolded, do you have anything that would suggest otherwise? Are you indeed claiming that these late term terminations of a pregnancy are done just for the fun of it or just because they can do it? Other than medical and health reasons of the mother, what do you think is the driving factor of late term pregnancy terminations?

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

So, a larger percentage does it just for the fun of it then.

My whole point for bring it up was this. If it means the mother dies if the procedure isn't done then of course it should be done. But I pointed out there was a bill to outlaw 3rd trimester abortions that had a provision to allow it if the mothers life was in danger and Hillary voted against it. That means she is in favor of terminating a viable baby for any reason. While I don't have a real problem with abortion this really seems cold blooded to me. I mean really, if the same baby was delivered by C section it would live for crying out loud! How can you call this anything but infanticide?

But do you hold the same candle to GWB - look at his public 'pro-life' stances on abortion, stem cell research and opposition to euthanasia, then take a look at the Texas Futile Care law which he signed while Governor of Texas.

If this is an (apparently) irrelevant issue for the voting public - then why is it so bad just cause another candidate is doing it?

Edited August 18, 2007 by Number 6

[GaryC 7]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

Arguing over late-term abortion when it rarely ever happens as if it is the most common form of abortion is the about the most dishonest rhetorical tactic on the planet.

comfortable, yes, but are you accurate?

Source of data: Strauss, Lilo T., Herndon, Joy, Chang, Jeani, Parker, Wilda Y., Bowens, Sonya V., Berg, Cynthia J. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As for the 99% that you bolded, do you have anything that would suggest otherwise? Are you indeed claiming that these late term terminations of a pregnancy are done just for the fun of it or just because they can do it? Other than medical and health reasons of the mother, what do you think is the driving factor of late term pregnancy terminations?

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

So, a larger percentage does it just for the fun of it then.

My whole point for bring it up was this. If it means the mother dies if the procedure isn't done then of course it should be done. But I pointed out there was a bill to outlaw 3rd trimester abortions that had a provision to allow it if the mothers life was in danger and Hillary voted against it. That means she is in favor of terminating a viable baby for any reason. While I don't have a real problem with abortion this really seems cold blooded to me. I mean really, if the same baby was delivered by C section it would live for crying out loud! How can you call this anything but infanticide?

But do you hold the same candle to GWB - look at his public 'pro-life' stances on abortion, stem cell research and opposition to euthanasia, then take a look at the Texas Futile Care law which he signed while Governor of Texas.

If this is an (apparently) irrelevant issue for the voting public - then why is it so bad just cause another candidate is doing it?

Your throwing in an unrelated act to muddy the waters here. But to respond, I think just letting someone linger on life support with no chance of revival is tantamount to torture. So I guess I agree with the Texas bill. But I ask you, how do you feel about an elective 3 trimester abortion? And what do you think of someone that votes down a bill that outlaws it even if it has a provision to protect the womans life?

[dalegg 143]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

I'm a bit skeptical of the part that I bolded there. I cannot find anything refuting that so if you have a source I'd appreciate it. Of all the girls I knew that had abortions none of them had them in the first month and most of them didn't realize they were pregnant in the first month.

[Caladan 19]

I think she means that her guess is that 99% of late term abortions are for the health of the mother, not all abortions.

Yes, 99% of late term abortions. Sorry if it wasn't clear from context, or say, the normal rules of how pronouns refer.

[Caladan 19]

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

I'm a bit skeptical of the part that I bolded there. I cannot find anything refuting that so if you have a source I'd appreciate it. Of all the girls I knew that had abortions none of them had them in the first month and most of them didn't realize they were pregnant in the first month.

Check Big Dog's chart. 8 weeks or less, so the first two months have about 60% of all abortions. If we went by all the girls I knew who'd had abortions, though, that would make your average abortion getter a 16-year-old girl in a youth group whose parents were pro-life until it was their daughter.

[no name 1]

in the meantime, i will state i personally oppose abortion. but that is my choice and do not feel i should somehow make the gov't enforce that on others. i'd rather persuade each individual who faces that situation not to. i would vote against fred.

Daniel

:energetic:

Amen. The whole point of the thread is that!

[no name 1]

I really don't care one way or another if it's legal or not.

Of course you don't. It doesn't affect you. You just like to preach.

I understand that a woman's decision to have or not to have one is hers alone to make.

Not the President's.

But that decision must be made inside the confines of the law and that law should be made by the state.

The law has been made and it stands.

[no name 1]

just thought the 99% was perhaps a bit high, that's all

what? you come in and challenge a post on the simple basis that you thought a number was a bit high? oh please. then again, why am i surprised at this? mad at myself.

Daniel

:energetic:

do you take everything at face value in vj?

no.. and neither should you. maybe her numbers were off. they were not. but if they were? big woop. her logic was solid man. then you come and quibble about a percentage? man, you must love to argue about anything.

Daniel

:energetic:

i was "quibbling" about the "I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother" when in fact the post i made above indicates it's not 99% were done to preserve the life of the mother. thanks for missing that and being argumentative.

And by 'quibbling' about Caladan's percentages you so conveniently left off that part of the sentence that explained it!

Less than 1-2% of all abortions are late-term, and I would be comfortable saying 99% of them are done to preserve the life of the mother. The pro-life crowd would have you believe that it's just irresponsible girls in high fashion dresses aborting in the eighth month for sh!ts and giggles, but the far more likely case is that the baby has been growing without a brain and delivery will kill the mother because the child's head is horribly deformed and three times the normal size. Something like 88% of abortions are in the first 12 weeks, most of them in the first month (so, uh, in a majority of cases, abortion doesn't stop a beating heart because the heart isn't beating until week 5 or 6.)

Arguing over late-term abortion when it rarely ever happens as if it is the most common form of abortion is the about the most dishonest rhetorical tactic on the planet.

If a woman has a late term abortion which is very invasive, dangerous & painful, it's not for freaking sh*ts & giggles.

Edited August 18, 2007 by devilette

[smoke20 0]

you guys/gals have guts. political stance/personal opinion on abortion is a topic i won't even touch.....suprised this hasn't turned into a spittin match yet.

[GaryC 7]

I really don't care one way or another if it's legal or not.

Of course you don't. It doesn't affect you. You just like to preach.

And you like to scream.

I understand that a woman's decision to have or not to have one is hers alone to make.

Not the President's.

Right, it's the states and the people of that states decision to decide if it's legal or not.

But that decision must be made inside the confines of the law and that law should be made by the state.

The law has been made and it stands.

Pending further appointments to the Supreme Court.

Edited August 18, 2007 by GaryC

[smoke20 0]

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