THompson would over turn Roe V. Wade

[no name 1]

[GaryC 7]

My views are totally consistent. This isn't a health care decision unless the abortion is done because carrying the baby to term would cause harm to the woman.

WHo pays for pre-natal care? Who pays for post-natal care if the baby has seriosu problems? Or the mother?

It is very much a healthcare issue.

Since this involves another human when an abortion is preformed (the baby) it must have some sort of legal oversight.

Abortions are not performed on babies. Embryos mostly, sometimes fetuses.

Uh huh, and since if left alone that embryo or fetus will become a human then it does involve 2 people.

Your saying that this isn't a human?

We were not discussing late term abortions.....?

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

Sorry, can you spin this a different way then?

Since this involves another human when an abortion is preformed (the baby) it must have some sort of legal oversight.

Abortions are not performed on babies. Embryos mostly, sometimes fetuses.

[no name 1]

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I think women carrying fetuses have the rights to make the best decision for themselves and fetus with their doctor and not anyone else, especially armchair political analysts.

[GaryC 7]

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

It's a fair question when you consider your rights to your body conflict with the fetus's right to live.

[no name 1]

My views are totally consistent. This isn't a health care decision unless the abortion is done because carrying the baby to term would cause harm to the woman.

WHo pays for pre-natal care? Who pays for post-natal care if the baby has seriosu problems? Or the mother?

It is very much a healthcare issue.

Since this involves another human when an abortion is preformed (the baby) it must have some sort of legal oversight.

Abortions are not performed on babies. Embryos mostly, sometimes fetuses.

Uh huh, and since if left alone that embryo or fetus will become a human then it does involve 2 people.

Your saying that this isn't a human?

We were not discussing late term abortions.....?

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

Sorry, can you spin this a different way then?

Since this involves another human when an abortion is preformed (the baby) it must have some sort of legal oversight.

Abortions are not performed on babies. Embryos mostly, sometimes fetuses.

Stop twisting my words in your head, Gary. IT's NOT THERE.

[Heracles 417]

No, he thinks the Senate wastes a lot of time on irrelevant matters, instead of doing things that are actually important. It's right there in the quote.

and he is right. The American congress and various political members are renowned for that. The country is literally falling apart, billions in debt to others etc but hey what is more important than gay marriage rights.. Or whether something is constitutional or not.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think women carrying fetuses have the rights to make the best decision for themselves and fetus with their doctor and not anyone else, especially armchair political analysts.

Absolutely.

[no name 1]

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

It's a fair question when you consider your rights to your body conflict with the fetus's right to live.

Gary, I will ask you once, politely, to stop bringing me into this. It's about the Supreme Court. NOT ME & my beliefs.

You go on & on how it's not what I believe, don't you dare speak for me. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Guess what - IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Edited August 18, 2007 by devilette

[GaryC 7]

Stop twisting my words in your head, Gary. IT's NOT THERE.

I will ask you straight up. Does this fetus have a right to live? Or are your rights more important?

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

It's a fair question when you consider your rights to your body conflict with the fetus's right to live.

Gary, I will ask you once, politely, to stop bringing me into this. It's about the Supreme Court. NOT ME & my beliefs.

You go on & on how it's not what I believe, don't you dare speak for me. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Guess what - IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Are you afraid of the question?

[no name 1]

Stop twisting my words in your head, Gary. IT's NOT THERE.

I will ask you straight up. Does this fetus have a right to live? Or are your rights more important?

ANd I will ask that this thread be closed as obviously you cannot play fair. You are beyond rude.

[dalegg 143]

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

The question is directly related to your answer there. Gary and I suspect, based on everything else you've said that you believe fetuses have no rights. That's why Gary made that statement. Come on, it wasn't exactly a leap to assume you would take that position was it? You coming out and saying you never said that gives me the impression that maybe in fact we were wrong to make this assumption, and therefore we can establish some common ground in the debate. But since your answer was a bit ambiguous, I sought clarification, rather than just make statements based on gut assumptions. Now how is that rude?

[Heracles 417]

I think women carrying fetuses have the rights to make the best decision for themselves and fetus with their doctor and not anyone else, especially armchair political analysts.

I love rights. Everyone has rights. Right to choose etc..

Funnily enough it is everyone else who usually has to pick up the pieces when 'someone's' choices fail.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Stop twisting my words in your head, Gary. IT's NOT THERE.

I will ask you straight up. Does this fetus have a right to live? Or are your rights more important?

Gary - you made a very explicit point of not getting into the moral/ethical arguments of this. Why are you now trying to elicit that from others? If only care about the constitutional / states rights aspect - asking that question seems rather out of place. Whether she believes it or not.

Even if she were to answer it - would you be prepared to do likewise?

[no name 1]

Thats a second trimester fetus. The ones you say have no rights.

Sorry, when did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn't.

do you think fetuses have rights?

Not only rude, but very inappropriate to even ask.

The question is directly related to your answer there. Gary and I suspect, based on everything else you've said that you believe fetuses have no rights. That's why Gary made that statement. Come on, it wasn't exactly a leap to assume you would take that position was it? You coming out and saying you never said that gives me the impression that maybe in fact we were wrong to make this assumption, and therefore we can establish some common ground in the debate. But since your answer was a bit ambiguous, I sought clarification, rather than just make statements based on gut assumptions. Now how is that rude?

Stop putting words in my mouth.