Immigration Activist to Leave Sanctuary

[keltic 1]

There's a whole story behind this that none of us will never know. To paint her with one brush over the other is a bit hasty. Given what I know about her, other than falsifying her ss#, it sounds to me like she wasn't going around and doing criminal activity, but actually working jobs.

um, other criminal activity would included crossing the border a second time after being deported and evading a second deportation

how many laws does someone need to break before its ok to actually enforce the penalty(ies) for breaking said laws?

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists willingly participated in slaves leaving their masters, which at the time was breaking the law. Whether you agree with her justifications, the fact is that people have in the past broken laws that they felt were injust. With the Abolitionists, we now consider their acts heroic.

are you seriously trying to imply that illegal aliens and anyone aiding and abetting them are heroes?

i find it ludicrous that you continue to compare the illegal aliens who CHOOSE to come here to the slaves who were sold and chained and brought here by force

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

Edited August 15, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just allow the system to do it's business then. You don't need a pole to decide what 'you personally' would like to see happen to 'one individual' Which is back to my original point I believe.

A pole? What pole?

If you mean the poll out there then I've gotta ask: Is it not legitimate or politically correct anymore to exchange thoughts and / or measure how people might feel about issues?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There's a whole story behind this that none of us will never know. To paint her with one brush over the other is a bit hasty. Given what I know about her, other than falsifying her ss#, it sounds to me like she wasn't going around and doing criminal activity, but actually working jobs.

um, other criminal activity would included crossing the border a second time after being deported and evading a second deportation

how many laws does someone need to break before its ok to actually enforce the penalty(ies) for breaking said laws?

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists willingly participated in slaves leaving their masters, which at the time was breaking the law. Whether you agree with her justifications, the fact is that people have in the past broken laws that they felt were injust. With the Abolitionists, we now consider their acts heroic.

are you seriously trying to imply that illegal aliens and anyone aiding and abetting them are heroes?

i find it ludicrous that you continue to compare the illegal aliens who CHOOSE to come here to the slaves who were sold and chained and brought here by force

Imply??? How about responding to what I said verbatim and then we can discuss this reasonably.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

The underlying cause is vastly different making the comparison useless.

[Peikko 1,575]

Issues yes, individuals as I said before, nope.

Pole, poll a mistake, no one else make 'em? The poll is about what people think should happen to this one person, not people in this situation.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

However, this one person is neither better nor worse than the hundres/thousands of others in the same situation.

She's arguably worse than the rest because she is brazen in her contempt for the law.

Well stated! To Illegally come into our country willingly violate federal laws shows she has no respect nor intentions of obeying the laws of this nation,

She shoul dbe arrested and her son should be sent back home with her so she can care for him instead of putting the burden of her And her families care on LEGAL law abiding Tax paying, legal working residents & Citizens of the USA.

Utter BS that teeters on racism. Simply because one willingly defies a law or set of laws that they find injust doesn't equate to that of a criminal mindset. History is full of examples. Her son is a U.S. Citizen, how about we deport you?

there is no racism in my statement or opinion, She DID WILLINGLY VI(LATE FEDERAL LAWS on more than one Occasion, her first ACT on USA soil was that of criminal defiance. I didnt state to "deport her son, I stated that IMO her son should be sent home with her so he would not be seperated from his mom, or would you rather see her son put into the foster care system of the Govt. ? She should not be allowed to stay Simply because she had an Anchor baby on USA soil. Yes her son is US citizen and should be treated differently than her, The laws are not injust she violated them knowing the consequences, whether or not a person feels a laws is injust does not afford them the right to break that law without consequence. It is not her place to determine which laws of the USA she feels are just.

She personofies criminal mindset by continuing to refuse to face consequences for her actions. You cross a border illegally you have commited a FEDERAL Crime, you disobey a federal court order you establish that you have no respect for the laws of our nation. In thse post 9/11 times there should be no leniancy in the immigration enforcement of our borders.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Issues yes, individuals as I said before, nope.

Pole, poll a mistake, no one else make 'em? The poll is about what people think should happen to this one person, not people in this situation.

So, we're not allowed an opinion on what we would expect our law enforcement to do in this particular situation? Or at least we're not allowed to share that opinion.

[Peikko 1,575]

You can do what you like. I am expressing my opinion that what you are doing is wrong.

[Peikko 1,575]

Or, rather distasteful as apposed to wrong.

[isleta521 5]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

Other activists and Activist groups that felt unjustly wronged were the KKK, John Wilkes, ICERR and the third riech.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

The underlying cause is vastly different making the comparison useless.

History will be the judge of that, brother. I can't imagine you or I having the same perspective we have about slavery that we do now if we were living in that time period. Perspective is a beautiful thing.

Edited August 15, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[keltic 1]

However, this one person is neither better nor worse than the hundres/thousands of others in the same situation.

She's arguably worse than the rest because she is brazen in her contempt for the law.

Well stated! To Illegally come into our country willingly violate federal laws shows she has no respect nor intentions of obeying the laws of this nation,

She shoul dbe arrested and her son should be sent back home with her so she can care for him instead of putting the burden of her And her families care on LEGAL law abiding Tax paying, legal working residents & Citizens of the USA.

Utter BS that teeters on racism. Simply because one willingly defies a law or set of laws that they find injust doesn't equate to that of a criminal mindset. History is full of examples. Her son is a U.S. Citizen, how about we deport you?

racism? come on... this has nothing to do with her race... it has to do with a conscious choice she made to break laws... whether you feel they are just or not, dont try to make this into something racial

there are also examples in history of ppl (or groups of ppl) who disagreed and willingly defied the law and failed... and were NOT considered heroes

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

Other activists and Activist groups that felt unjustly wronged were the KKK, John Wilkes, ICERR and the third riech.

True. But social change for better or worse has often been because someone took action against the establishment.

[keltic 1]

Well, as I mentioned before, Abolitionists

Fruity. Apples and Oranges anyone?

The mindset is the same, whether you agree with her views or not. Activists throughout history have often defied the very rulers and rules when they felt they were unjust.

Other activists and Activist groups that felt unjustly wronged were the KKK, John Wilkes, ICERR and the third riech.

True. But social change for better or worse has often been because someone took action against the establishment.

this is very true... and as far as i see it, the big businesses who exploit the illegal aliens have become 'the establishment'... and i would like to see action taken against them and actually enforce the laws that they are trying to make invalid

Edited August 15, 2007 by keltic