MENA Abuse Poll~~Please keep in MENA

[peezey 0]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

[allousa 1]

Peezy - I KNOW this is your point. I was just making a statement about how many times I have heard that movie come up to describe Arab men in general. I'm just reiterating your point. As a matter of fact, I think your poll, is showing that there are alot more instances of abuse in NON-Arab men. There's no argument here.

Uhhh, I was replying to the person I was replying to, not you, because she said why split the groups out. I only used NWMD since it's an easy reference for people and you reminded me of it.

Gotcha!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

OK stats are not my specialty (** pulls Malibu Stacy string ** "Math is hard !! "I'm just a girl !")

But the way I'm reading the poll -- 32.76 % said NO abuse from a non-MENA man. That would mean 67.24 % DID experience abuse from a non-MENA man.

And 73.47 % responded NO abuse from a MENA man. That would mean 26.53% DID experience abuse from a MENA man.

Help me out here, statistics mavens !

[peezey 0]

I did the %% when there were 42 respondents, MK.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I did the %% when there were 42 respondents, MK.

[Jenn! 918]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

OK stats are not my specialty (** pulls Malibu Stacy string ** "Math is hard !! "I'm just a girl !")

But the way I'm reading the poll -- 32.76 % said NO abuse from a non-MENA man. That would mean 67.24 % DID experience abuse from a non-MENA man.

And 73.47 % responded NO abuse from a MENA man. That would mean 26.53% DID experience abuse from a MENA man.

Help me out here, statistics mavens !

Yes, that's correct.

Keep in mind though that the fact that most of the people responding to this poll are probably currently in a relationship with an MENA man. Which means that they would be less likely to select emotional/verbal abuse, since IMO that's probably something that one comes to recognize after a relationship is over. (maybe not, someone can correct me here). Since there are a large number of people who chose that option for non-MENA men, that may be distorting the results a bit.

I would be just as uncomfortable saying that men from MENA are somehow less likely to be abusive as I would be saying that they are more likely to be abusive.

[peezey 0]

I think the story being told here has more to do with the choices a woman might make for her next relationship if she has been abused in a past relationship.

[Jenn! 918]

I think the story being told here has more to do with the choices a woman might make for her next relationship if she has been abused in a past relationship.

Yes, it is encouraging to see that there were only 2 yes responses to the third question (although 0 would obviously be better).

I wonder how national stats compare to our results for the first question...

Edited August 15, 2007 by jenn3539

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

OK stats are not my specialty (** pulls Malibu Stacy string ** "Math is hard !! "I'm just a girl !")

But the way I'm reading the poll -- 32.76 % said NO abuse from a non-MENA man. That would mean 67.24 % DID experience abuse from a non-MENA man.

And 73.47 % responded NO abuse from a MENA man. That would mean 26.53% DID experience abuse from a MENA man.

Help me out here, statistics mavens !

Yes, that's correct.

Keep in mind though that the fact that most of the people responding to this poll are probably currently in a relationship with an MENA man. Which means that they would be less likely to select emotional/verbal abuse, since IMO that's probably something that one comes to recognize after a relationship is over. (maybe not, someone can correct me here). Since there are a large number of people who chose that option for non-MENA men, that may be distorting the results a bit.

I would be just as uncomfortable saying that men from MENA are somehow less likely to be abusive as I would be saying that they are more likely to be abusive.

Nope.... that's not at all what I'm saying....

I was just kind of musing on the possibility that maybe having an unpleasant experience (or experiences) with an abusive non-MENA man (let's say, for instance, an American man) might make some women (either consciously or unconsciously) more likely to consider a subsequent relationship with a man who was *outside* that group.

I've seen similar sentiments expressed in other forums, by both sexes -- they weren't happy with what they'd found in their American partners, so they actively sought out candidates from a country they perceived as more "likely" to "foster the values" they were seeking.

Just musing.... not jumping to conclusions.

YET.

[doodlebug 3]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

OK stats are not my specialty (** pulls Malibu Stacy string ** "Math is hard !! "I'm just a girl !")

But the way I'm reading the poll -- 32.76 % said NO abuse from a non-MENA man. That would mean 67.24 % DID experience abuse from a non-MENA man.

And 73.47 % responded NO abuse from a MENA man. That would mean 26.53% DID experience abuse from a MENA man.

Help me out here, statistics mavens !

Yes, that's correct.

Keep in mind though that the fact that most of the people responding to this poll are probably currently in a relationship with an MENA man. Which means that they would be less likely to select emotional/verbal abuse, since IMO that's probably something that one comes to recognize after a relationship is over. (maybe not, someone can correct me here). Since there are a large number of people who chose that option for non-MENA men, that may be distorting the results a bit.

I would be just as uncomfortable saying that men from MENA are somehow less likely to be abusive as I would be saying that they are more likely to be abusive.

Nope.... that's not at all what I'm saying....

I was just kind of musing on the possibility that maybe having an unpleasant experience (or experiences) with an abusive non-MENA man (let's say, for instance, an American man) might make some women (either consciously or unconsciously) more likely to consider a subsequent relationship with a man who was *outside* that group.

I've seen similar sentiments expressed in other forums, by both sexes -- they weren't happy with what they'd found in their American partners, so they actively sought out candidates from a country they perceived as more "likely" to "foster the values" they were seeking.

Just musing.... not jumping to conclusions.

YET.

That's interesting. This probably doesn't relate to that but I specifically sought out a man who *looks* nothing like the one who abused me when I was younger. He had blue eyes and blonde hair and I could never date anyone who looked like that.

[Jenn! 918]

So far,

56% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a non-MENA man

19% have responded YES to some sort of abuse from a MENA man

OK stats are not my specialty (** pulls Malibu Stacy string ** "Math is hard !! "I'm just a girl !")

But the way I'm reading the poll -- 32.76 % said NO abuse from a non-MENA man. That would mean 67.24 % DID experience abuse from a non-MENA man.

And 73.47 % responded NO abuse from a MENA man. That would mean 26.53% DID experience abuse from a MENA man.

Help me out here, statistics mavens !

Yes, that's correct.

Keep in mind though that the fact that most of the people responding to this poll are probably currently in a relationship with an MENA man. Which means that they would be less likely to select emotional/verbal abuse, since IMO that's probably something that one comes to recognize after a relationship is over. (maybe not, someone can correct me here). Since there are a large number of people who chose that option for non-MENA men, that may be distorting the results a bit.

I would be just as uncomfortable saying that men from MENA are somehow less likely to be abusive as I would be saying that they are more likely to be abusive.

Nope.... that's not at all what I'm saying....

I was just kind of musing on the possibility that maybe having an unpleasant experience (or experiences) with an abusive non-MENA man (let's say, for instance, an American man) might make some women (either consciously or unconsciously) more likely to consider a subsequent relationship with a man who was *outside* that group.

I've seen similar sentiments expressed in other forums, by both sexes -- they weren't happy with what they'd found in their American partners, so they actively sought out candidates from a country they perceived as more "likely" to "foster the values" they were seeking.

Just musing.... not jumping to conclusions.

YET.

Oh no, I definitely agree with that point. It hink many people though would jump to the wrong conclusions based on the responses so far.

I have always thought that there were more women, not only in the MENA forum, but on VJ in general, that have had experience with abusive relationships and DV than the general population. And the reasons you mentioned would help to explain that.

[peezey 0]

I think the story being told here has more to do with the choices a woman might make for her next relationship if she has been abused in a past relationship.

Yes, it is encouraging to see that there were only 2 yes responses to the third question (although 0 would obviously be better).

I wonder how national stats compare to our results for the first question...

I didn't mean choosing a non-abuser if you have been abused. My sentiments are more along the lines of MK's...choosing something very different than an abusive relationship by way of totally different culture, religion, language, socioeconomic background, education, etc.

[Jenn! 918]

I think the story being told here has more to do with the choices a woman might make for her next relationship if she has been abused in a past relationship.

Yes, it is encouraging to see that there were only 2 yes responses to the third question (although 0 would obviously be better).

I wonder how national stats compare to our results for the first question...

I didn't mean choosing a non-abuser if you have been abused. My sentiments are more along the lines of MK's...choosing something very different than an abusive relationship by way of totally different culture, religion, language, socioeconomic background, education, etc.

So do you think that women tend to associate the abuse with the nationality of the abuser, perhaps subconsciously?

I don't have experience with this so I'm just curious about that logic. If abuse does not have anything to do with the nationality of the abuser, then why would changing nationalities improve your chances?

ETA: sorry did not mean to single out nationality there. Same question would apply to religion, socioeconomic position, etc.

Edited August 15, 2007 by jenn3539

[allousa 1]

It has been my experience, unfortunately, through volunteering and public speaking that I see many of these women that have already suffered through abusive realtionships in the past, continue to seek those same types of relationships. It's alarming to see that for some of these people (men and women), this is the "norm" that they know. They have been so abused, they don't know that they deserve to be treated better. Very sad.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So do you think that women tend to associate the abuse with the nationality of the abuser, perhaps subconsciously?

I don't have experience with this so I'm just curious about that logic. If abuse does not have anything to do with the nationality of the abuser, then why would changing nationalities improve your chances?

I'm not convinced that it would in fact improve your chances.

But perception is a fascinating thing.