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[Jenn! 918]

Frankly I dont think Charles is the problem nor the reason why some people are not visible to all eyes...

Sorry, but how could you know that?

I dont KNOW that for a fact in every case, which is why I said I THINK, however I do know that the people I personally know and have spoken to that are gone from this forum are gone due to the general nastiness and cat fighting on the part of the ladies....

I wouldn't deny that. Nobody pointed to any single reason for people leaving. But I too have spoken with some who have left, and they would disagree with what you said.

just as i know more than a few who left due to certain members who are still here....and i'm not one of the members they cite as the cause for their leaving........

I guess you missed where I said I wouldn't deny that.

no, i didn't miss that, nor did i miss the attempt to blame me as usual.........

Glad you didn't miss such.

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[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

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I didn't know thre was a pink ranger

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I didn't know there was a white ranger. Where's the green ranger????

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I didn't know thre was a pink ranger

[Mrs. Beasley 7]

I didn't know there was a white ranger. Where's the green ranger????

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Edited August 15, 2007 by Malak_Rachid

[peezey 0]

Frankly I dont think Charles is the problem nor the reason why some people are not visible to all eyes...

Sorry, but how could you know that?

I dont KNOW that for a fact in every case, which is why I said I THINK, however I do know that the people I personally know and have spoken to that are gone from this forum are gone due to the general nastiness and cat fighting on the part of the ladies....

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

But I do agree most women here don't think he's a problem. But then again, you are pretty sexist yourself, Sara. You have just called arguments between women "attacks" and "venom" which completely demeans any sort of discussion around here. Women can discuss, argue, and fight, and considering the topics going around lately about women who are made to feel less than human, I'd think you'd keep your demeaning remarks to a minimum. But that's just me. You also accused "rightbeforeyou" of making up her story, so I guess your defense of Charles and your pissyness at the women here aren't surprising.

Edited August 15, 2007 by peezey

[peezey 0]

Sara, You said the women here turn on each other, but it seems everyone rallies around when the chips are down. I'd like to know when women have turned on each other? Maybe somewhere in the 19 page thread supporting Dee? Or in the hundreds of PMs to Jackie and Dee the last several weeks?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

Not to mention the "b!tch" cartoons, "Midol" pics AND SUCH.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Frankly I dont think Charles is the problem nor the reason why some people are not visible to all eyes...

Sorry, but how could you know that?

I dont KNOW that for a fact in every case, which is why I said I THINK, however I do know that the people I personally know and have spoken to that are gone from this forum are gone due to the general nastiness and cat fighting on the part of the ladies....

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

But I do agree most women here don't think he's a problem. But then again, you are pretty sexist yourself, Sara. You have just called arguments between women "attacks" and "venom" which completely demeans any sort of discussion around here. Women can discuss, argue, and fight, and considering the topics going around lately about women who are made to feel less than human, I'd think you'd keep your demeaning remarks to a minimum. But that's just me. You also accused "rightbeforeyou" of making up her story, so I guess your defense of Charles and your pissyness at the women here aren't surprising.

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[Jenn! 918]

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

Not to mention the "b!tch" cartoons, "Midol" pics AND SUCH.

Absolutely. The problem is that there are women who still find things like that amusing.

I'm sure now I'll be accused of burning bras and not shaving my armpits...

[RAKASA 0]

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

Not to mention the "b!tch" cartoons, "Midol" pics AND SUCH.

Absolutely. The problem is that there are women who still find things like that amusing.

I'm sure now I'll be accused of burning bras and not shaving my armpits...

don't shave.... have them waxed! it's much better and lasts longer.

[sara535 15]

Sara, You said the women here turn on each other, but it seems everyone rallies around when the chips are down. I'd like to know when women have turned on each other? Maybe somewhere in the 19 page thread supporting Dee? Or in the hundreds of PMs to Jackie and Dee the last several weeks?

Oh I am not debating that at all, I think this is a wonderful place for support and absolutely when the chips are down most people stick together. If I didnt think that I wouldnt still be here as one of the longest active members on this forum, the only one here before me was Jackie. I've watched pretty much everyone of you go through your 'journey'. Its truly a dysfunctional family. My point was, and is, that its NOT perfect here at all. Look back at all the locked threads, there have been numerous numerous personal insults. I am not referring to civilized discussions where everyone 'agrees to disagree' or we swap various interpretations of things, no, there are indeed personal attacks here and I certainly hope you are not going to deny that!!?? It IS one of the reasons why people have left. Not the only reason but one of them. But dont throw out a question like you'd like to know when women have turned on each other, read back in time to the locked threads and I think there is plenty of evidence. Frankly I am surprised that you act surprised at that statement! I am not trying to be 'pissy' or demeaning at all and I am sorry if its interpreted that way, I wasnt even trying to 'defend' Charles, more I guess just making the observation that sometimes we here can be our own worst enemies as well as our best friends. Whether or not Charles stirs up the pot is not the root of the issue and honestly I am not an expert on his behaviour here as I generally try to stay out of the more heated fiery debates. When I initially responded to the post I think I was reacting more to what I perceived to be the insinuation that Charles and his comments were what had driven people underground when I know for a fact from my friendships with long standing old timer members that they were gone due to the attacks by other women. thats all. no need to turn on ME now....

Nor do I think that makes me sexist to say it, the fact of the matter is the vast majority of posters on this forum are women so when it turns ugly it usually IS the women doing it....Its not sexist to acknowledge that there are percentage wise a much higher number of regular women posters here than men. Again, I am not sure how that observation singles ME out as being sexist.

[peezey 0]

An observation can be made without demeaning adjectives.

Women here argue and fight and are passionate about things. If that's not your thing, then fine, but the continuous insistence by those of you uncomfortable with discussions and arguments that most of these interactions are "Attacks" and "venom" is totally sexist since all of us ARE women having these interactions.

And your melodramatic assertion that because I post my opinion is "turning on you" proves my point that perception around here is key. We all don't have the same ideas about what passionate arguing is, clearly. If you don't want to join in, then that's fine, but I hardly think anyone who argues for 10 or 20 pages in a thread feels the same way you do, so let it be.

Edited August 15, 2007 by peezey

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

My observation is that most women here actually don't think Charles is a problem, because they have pretty low standards when it comes to what they will take from men. He makes sexist remarks and many women come in and post laughing smileys, as one example. He posts the popcorn smiley in threads that are heated, which in fact, is a passive aggressive attempt to fuel the fire, while at the same time he posts condescendingly "I see nothing has changed in MENA." Which is it? He wants to watch the show or he wants to admonish people and be "above" the arguing? He calls a woman his own age "dear" because he knows it's condescending, yet he argues "she started it" when called on it, all the while insisting his own behavior is above reproach.

But I do agree most women here don't think he's a problem. But then again, you are pretty sexist yourself, Sara. You have just called arguments between women "attacks" and "venom" which completely demeans any sort of discussion around here. Women can discuss, argue, and fight, and considering the topics going around lately about women who are made to feel less than human, I'd think you'd keep your demeaning remarks to a minimum. But that's just me. You also accused "rightbeforeyou" of making up her story, so I guess your defense of Charles and your pissyness at the women here aren't surprising.

ah so the women here have low standards - and that's not a cheap shot on your part? don't worry peezey, everyone thinks you're totally innocent of anything in mena