USCIS's illegal actions - Attention all Ukraine, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and Nicaragua immigrants

[Crazy Cat 42,913]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

remember these folks do have ulterior motives in gaining clients.

Exactly.  Fear is an attorney's friend. I have heard Hacking refer to the callers on his show as "leads".  

[Crazy Cat 42,913]

8 hours ago, wazzujoel said:

This is the first time in my life that I have ever seen a sitting president attacking innocent people,

 I seem to remember the last POTUS calling half of the country "garbage". 

[wazzujoel 92]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You never voted?  As to all the hype against Trump from people like Hacking, or other high profile immigration lawyers, remember these folks do have ulterior motives in gaining clients.  Yes, there will be some chaos, particularly when the leaders of the countries you mentioned opened up their jails and sent everyone they could through the open borders of the past administration, but things will shake out soon.  I know, you are invested in your personal experiences which drive emotion, but which is it do you want, open borders, or controlled legal immigration?

No. I didn’t say I’ve never voted. I’ve voted for people I actually believe in that I felt would do a good job. I’ve never voted for a Republican or Democrat for potus. (Ive also only ever lived in very liberal states so my votes don’t really matter as the electors in my state were already known before the ballots even opened). 
 

Trump is a bad person. By instructing to not process applications for those that arrived via CHNV is illegal. The president doing illegal actions is something the American people should have expected from ejecting a convicted felon to the office. 

[Dashinka 25,163]

1 hour ago, wazzujoel said:

No. I didn’t say I’ve never voted. I’ve voted for people I actually believe in that I felt would do a good job. I’ve never voted for a Republican or Democrat for potus. (Ive also only ever lived in very liberal states so my votes don’t really matter as the electors in my state were already known before the ballots even opened). 
 

Trump is a bad person. By instructing to not process applications for those that arrived via CHNV is illegal. The president doing illegal actions is something the American people should have expected from ejecting a convicted felon to the office. 

Apologies, when you said you never voted Republican, or Democrats it sounded like you hadn’t voted as most elections only have those two choices.
 

It was questionable whether the Biden EO authorizing the CHNV was even legal to begin with.  Aside from that, the only reason whoever was running the country then had for starting it was to alleviate stress at the Southern border as they were getting bad press for Biden, and Harris.  In the end, there are opinions on all sides, and maybe in 5-10 years the legal system will decide.

Edited Saturday at 02:30 PM by Dashinka

[Ban Hammer 13,833]

something seemed odd to me about all of this, so i did some digging and this is what i found:
 

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On January 5, 2023, the Biden administration announced its intent to provide “safe and orderly pathways to the United States” for up to 30,000 nationals of Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. The new program, formally known as the Processes for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans (CHNV), allows certain people from these four countries who have a sponsor in the U.S. and who pass a background check to come to the U.S. for a period of two years to live and work lawfully, using a legal mechanism known as “humanitarian parole.”
The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) grants DHS the discretion to temporarily allow certain non-U.S. citizens to enter or remain in the United States if they apply for admission but lack any legal basis for admission. Individuals who enter the United States under these conditions are granted “parole.” Humanitarian parole does not provide any permanent pathway to remain in the United States and can be revoked or not renewed should DHS decide that it is no longer warranted or if the beneficiary violates the conditions of the parole. A person in the United States on parole may apply for work authorization during the period of their authorized stay.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/biden-administrations-humanitarian-parole-program-cubans-haitians-nicaraguans-and

so the two main points i get out of the above link are:
1.  this is a temporary thing:  come to the U.S. for a period of two years to live and work lawfully
2.  The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) grants DHS the discretion to temporarily allow certain non-U.S. citizens to enter or remain in the United States if they apply for admission but lack any legal basis for admission

in short, it is temporary and it is at the discretion of DHS.   that translates to it has an expiration date and the government can cancel it away at any point.

it appears that the the biggest driving factor behind it being cancelled is the abuse of the program:
 

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The Biden-Harris Administration's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has approved CHNV supporter applicants who:
- Submitted fraudulent documents as a part of their application. 

- Admitted that the income they plan to use for support includes income derived from criminal activity.

- Are aliens in the United States on a short-term basis and who are subject to removal from the U.S. at any time, such as aliens on temporary visas, Temporary Protected Status (TPS) holders, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) recipients, and even parolees themselves.

- Admitted to receiving means-tested public benefits as part of their income listed as evidence that they can support a CHNV alien.
more at https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-two-years-biden-harris-administrations-fraud-ridden-parole-program

 

in the staff report (linked in the above article and also direct linked below), there is even more interesting revelations (bolded portion by me):

• USCIS has approved CHNV supporters who admitted to receiving means-tested public
benefits as part of their income listed as evidence that they can support a CHNV alien.19
Thus, American taxpayers may actually end up supporting CHNV aliens despite Biden-
Harris Administration claims that those aliens will have supporters in the U.S.
• USCIS has refused to tell the Committee whether it has any mechanism or remedy to
ensure that CHNV supporters fulfill their agreement to provide the CHNV alien financial
support during the time for which the alien is paroled in the U.S.20 If the approved
supporter does not financially support the CHNV alien, that burden will fall to American
taxpayers.
• USCIS has confirmed CHNV supporters who are aliens in the United States on a short-
term basis and who are subject to removal from the U.S. at any time, such as aliens on
temporary visas, Temporary Protected Status (TPS) holders, Deferred Action for
Childhood Arrival (DACA) recipients, and even parolees themselves.21 As a result,
CHNV is a supercharged chain migration program in which foreign nationals in the U.S.
on a temporary basis can sponsor additional foreign nationals to travel to the U.S. on a
temporary basis, who can then sponsor additional foreign nationals to enter the country,
and so on.
• USCIS has approved CHNV applications to allow aliens into the country who do not
even reside in one of the four CHNV countries.22
• Sex traffickers have potentially used CHNV to exploit women and girls. A fraud analysis
of CHNV applications revealed that some applications that were sent from the same IP
addresses were submitted on behalf of a high proportion of female CHNV aliens. In one
such case, 21 supporter applications were submitted from the same IP address on behalf
of 18 females and only three males. At least six of the females were under the age of 18.

The DHS analysis, which was completed in May of 2024, documented substantial evidence of fraudulent
activity in the Biden-Harris Administration’s CHNV program. For example:
• The same Social Security Number was used on at least 20 different CHNV supporter
applications. This happened more than 3,200 times.
• The same phone number was used on at least 20 different supporter applications. This
happened more than 3,300 times.
• The same email address was used on at least 20 different supporter applications. This
happened nearly 2,000 times.
• The same 184-word text response to a question on the supporter application was used on
more than 1,800 such applications by nearly 190 different CHNV supporters.
• More than 460 nonexistent zip codes were used on supporter applications on behalf of
more than 2,800 CHNV aliens.


more eyebrow raising points at https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2024-11-20 The Biden Harris Administration's CHNV Parole Program Two Years Later - A Fraud-Ridden%2C Unmitigated Disaster.pdf

my thoughts are:  this was a poorly designed and poorly executed fiasco from the start.  blaming trump for ending the abuses listed above (and in the linked articles) isn't where the blame should fall - it instead should fall on those who took advantage of the program to ruin it for those with a valid case.

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15 hours ago, wazzujoel said:

This is the first time in my life that I have ever seen a sitting president attacking innocent people, and it's amazing to me that congress sits by and does nothing while it tears apart the government and gets those that are left to do illegal actions like instructing USCIS to stop processing all lawful/legal applications from specific demographics of people.

I mean, emphasis on the "temporary" in temporary protected status.  These demographics you mention, were exploited by the previous administration.  Sorry about that.

 

15 hours ago, wazzujoel said:

I don't feel safe in my home from Trump and his goons.

Kay.

15 hours ago, wazzujoel said:

This is the first time I will openly state that I hate the president of the USA.

I think you're hating on the wrong president, personally.  I'd hate on the one who put me in this position in the first place.

[Crazy Cat 42,913]

16 hours ago, wazzujoel said:

We plan on getting married; 

Soon, I assume.....very soon.

[wazzujoel 92]

6 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

something seemed odd to me about all of this, so i did some digging and this is what i found:
 

so the two main points i get out of the above link are:
1.  this is a temporary thing:  come to the U.S. for a period of two years to live and work lawfully
2.  The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) grants DHS the discretion to temporarily allow certain non-U.S. citizens to enter or remain in the United States if they apply for admission but lack any legal basis for admission

in short, it is temporary and it is at the discretion of DHS.   that translates to it has an expiration date and the government can cancel it away at any point.
my thoughts are:  this was a poorly designed and poorly executed fiasco from the start.  blaming trump for ending the abuses listed above (and in the linked articles) isn't where the blame should fall - it instead should fall on those who took advantage of the program to ruin it for those with a valid case.

 

When I created this thread, it was before Trump revoked Biden's Humanitarian Parole. If you read my first message the issue for me was that Trump had directed USCIS to "indefinitely hold" and not process applications legal lawful applications from people who arrived via CHNV. This is in fact not legal for the agency and Trump to just never process applications that are consistent with US law. The Cubans that I sponsored paid for their i-765 work authorizations ($460), paid for their i-693 medicals ($250), paid for their residency applications ($1,440), paid for their i-765 renewals based on pending residency ($260) and it isn't right for USCIS to no longer process their applications which are based on US immigration law (specifically the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966). 

 

Since then Trump abused the use of the Alien Enemy's act of 1798 by sending 238 unknown people to a prison in El Salvador. He is also threatening to send US citizens to this same prison without the right to a trial. 

 

He is prematurely ending the parole program that Biden afforded these people which is well within his rights, however it's a pretty crappy move. (I'd had like to use other adjectives to describe that move, however it's not allowed on this site). I know several people who are making arrangements to fly home. These were lawful immigrants that were following the laws of society, working full time, paying taxes, and contributing to commerce. It's not a nice thing to do to innocent people if you ask me. 

 

I cut the part of your post talking about abuse in the program because it's distracting from the main point of why I am upset which is the first paragraph of this post. My unbiased views of this program is that USCIS handled it poorly from the very start just like every other immigration path they screw up badly. People were poorly vetted, people were processed in random orders, the more people you sponsored the more likely you were to get your entire group approved.... I heard stories of people paying for sponsorship and it was just an entire mess to be honest. But I will say since I am plugged into many many communities that the vast majority of people that came through the program are good lawful people that were following the rules. Ask yourself this... Why is trump turning his attention to these 550k people who went through a legal lawful process that biden allowed verses the 5 million illegal border crossings that happened at the same time? Answer - it's much easier to go after honest people who follow the rules... much harder to catch the ones that did so illegally. 

 

[wazzujoel 92]

4 hours ago, Crazy Cat said:

Soon, I assume.....very soon.

 

Literally makes no difference if we marry or not. Trump will deport her either way if he has his way. Would probably be better for me if we were not married so I wouldn't need to figure out a way to divorce once she is gone. 

[Crazy Cat 42,913]

12 minutes ago, wazzujoel said:

 

Literally makes no difference if we marry or not. Trump will deport her either way if he has his way. Would probably be better for me if we were not married so I wouldn't need to figure out a way to divorce once she is gone. 

As far as I know, a person who submits a proper I-485 is still authorized to stay in the US until the I-485 is either approved or denied.  I don't think that has changed yet.

Edited Sunday at 12:52 AM by Crazy Cat

[wazzujoel 92]

18 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

As far as I know, a person who submits a proper I-485 is still authorized to stay in the US until the I-485 is either approved or denied.  I don't think that has changed yet.

 

Agreed. My partner had submitted a proper i-485 checking the box for adjustment via US law Cuban Adjustment Act which she and all of her family members meet the requirements 100%. As I have stated, 2 of the 5 already received their green cards last September. 

 

That said, I do not trust Trump to actually follow US law. He could easily deport her to the prison in El Salvador by using the Enemy Aliens act of 1798. Her actual parole expires in a couple weeks on April 7th. I'll let you know if ICE shows up at my doorstep. 

[Ban Hammer 13,833]

35 minutes ago, wazzujoel said:

Since then Trump abused the use of the Alien Enemy's act of 1798 by sending 238 unknown people to a prison in El Salvador. He is also threatening to send US citizens to this same prison without the right to a trial. 

 

they are not "unknown"  the link below has the names listed

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U.S. officials have said 137 of the Venezuelan men were treated as "enemy aliens" and removed from the country under the 18th century law. The other 101 were deported under regular immigration procedures, the officials have said. 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuelans-deported-el-salvador-names/

 

[wazzujoel 92]

5 hours ago, hplusj said:

I mean, emphasis on the "temporary" in temporary protected status.  These demographics you mention, were exploited by the previous administration.  Sorry about that.

 

 

This response to what you quoted don't line up. I am not upset that Trump prematurely ended the parole for immigrants that came here with the program. That's within his power but it's kinda a not-nice thing to do... The nice thing to do would have been to just allow those that arrived to have their 2 year temporary stay and then go back to their country. What I am personally upset about is USCIS is not processing residency applications for people that arrived with this program. 

 

For example - If my fiancée had come by this CNHV program, we then married here, and applied for her residency based on our legal lawful marriage....  Trump has instructed USCIS to NOT process that application. That application is on a "indefinite hold" which means that USCIS will not process this application that we paid $1,440 to be processed unless the courts put a stop to this illegal actions or new president is elected.

 

I can tell you that with the enemies he has made this term... Good bye Republican party. From not on I will be voting very strongly Democrat across the board...  I don't even care who is running. Could be cloned Joseph Stalin and he has my vote. 

2 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

they are not "unknown"  the link below has the names listed

 

Can you please also show me their immigration status and a quick blurb on their crimes? 

[wazzujoel 92]

The presidential press secretary flat out lying. Would you like the see the airfare receipts for the 5 people I sponsored and literally paid for their flights?  

[Ban Hammer 13,833]

4 minutes ago, wazzujoel said:

Can you please also show me their immigration status and a quick blurb on their crimes? 

my name isn't google and i don't do homework assignments.