Michigan 'Red Flag' Law Used Hundreds of Times in First Year

[TBoneTX 46,821]

Really enlightening article about Red Flag laws.

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Michigan 'Red Flag' Law Used Hundreds of Times in First Year

 

Almost three hundred Michiganders were stripped of their ability to lawfully purchase and possess a gun through the use of the state's Extreme Risk Protection Order law in the first year of its existence, and supporters are hailing those numbers as a sign of success.

 

There were 391 petitions filed across the state in 2024, with 287 petitions approved and 87 denied.  According to the State Court Administrative Office, another 14 petitions were either dismissed or orders rescinded after a hearing was held.

Some press outlets are touting the benefits of the "red flag" law, including Hoodline's Sarah Johnson, who claims that "although determining the exact number of lives saved is difficult, there is a noted correlation with decreased criminal offenses."

Correlation doesn't equal causation, of course, and [...]

 

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/02/16/michigan-red-flag-law-used-hundreds-of-times-in-first-year-n1227689

[TBoneTX 46,821]

Some really compelling arguments are in this article.  Comments?

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Use of Red Flag Laws Doesn't Mean They're Effective

 

Red flag laws are one of those things that are far too popular for anyone's own good.  I get the idea of disarming dangerous people.  The problem is that there's already a mechanism to do that lawfully.  People get their due process rights observed and, if it turns out they're really dangerous, they get their gun rights revoked.  They'd basically become someone else's responsibility, much like a child in many regards.

 

It's not an easy thing to do, but these are people's rights we're talking about here.  It shouldn't be easy.

Red flag laws skip this due process entirely and just take the guns based on one party's word that they seem dangerous.  The problem is that the aforementioned method, we always had put someone in charge of keeping that person out of trouble.  Red flag laws don't.  They just treat the gun as the source of all problems.

And I'm more than sick of stories about how the problem is that it's just not implemented more.  [...]

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/03/12/use-of-red-flag-laws-doesnt-mean-theyre-effective-n1227940

 

[TBoneTX 46,821]

Interesting observations.

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The Push for Red Flag Laws to Prevent Suicides Has Fundamental Flaw

 

[...] there are studies that seemingly suggest that red flag laws are useful for preventing suicides.

I say "seemingly suggest" because there is a major issue with most of those studies.  None seem to look at other methods of suicide beyond a firearm.  [...]

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/03/17/the-push-for-red-flag-laws-to-prevent-suicides-has-fundamental-flaw-n1227997

[TBoneTX 46,821]

THIS is ominous.  Is it child abuse?

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Let's Talk About the Insidious Failures of Red Flag Laws

 

We've spilled a lot of digital ink discussing red flag laws over the years.  For about five minutes, I was open to the idea of addressing dangerous people, but then I smacked myself in the face to put some sense back into my head, because nothing about these things is anything but nuts.

 

And we've continued to fight against them ever since.

We're not alone in that, either.

Over at America's 1st Freedom, NRA-ILA executive director John Commerford took issue with how Michigan's red flag law is being used, and folks, it's worse than pretty much anywhere else.  [...]

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/04/22/lets-talk-about-the-insidious-failures-of-red-flag-laws-n1228387

[Dashinka 25,313]

Like I said before, Red Flag laws need to include consequences for false reports, etc.  There should also be civil suits available against those reporting to avoid false reports.

[Ban Hammer 13,964]

12 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

THIS is ominous.  Is it child abuse?

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Let's Talk About the Insidious Failures of Red Flag Laws

 

We've spilled a lot of digital ink discussing red flag laws over the years.  For about five minutes, I was open to the idea of addressing dangerous people, but then I smacked myself in the face to put some sense back into my head, because nothing about these things is anything but nuts.

 

And we've continued to fight against them ever since.

We're not alone in that, either.

Over at America's 1st Freedom, NRA-ILA executive director John Commerford took issue with how Michigan's red flag law is being used, and folks, it's worse than pretty much anywhere else.  [...]

 

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/04/22/lets-talk-about-the-insidious-failures-of-red-flag-laws-n1228387

it's all part of the plan.  make a complaint about someone, anyone - and the entire house gets disarmed.
hard to fight, hard to appeal.  it's an anti gunners wet dream come true.