Tourist visa help

[coolguy223 17]

Hi so my brother-in-law is in his early 20’s and just had a tourist visa denial. He’s a university student.  They gave him the generic denial letter that he did not demonstrate strong ties to his home country.  The interview maybe lasted 2 minutes and he was only asked about who his sister is (my wife), where he is going, purpose of his trip and where he’ll stay.  None of the documents he brought with him were looked at.  On the application he was given a choice of being either a student or to be employed. At the moment he is a full-time student but also works. On the visa application it does not give you the option to put that you’re a student and work as well (you have to choose between them) so chose to put that he works.  He makes about $300 a month, but as I said, he’s a student.  We want to re-apply but have him say that he’s a student, but a salary in the salary area and that I will sponsor him (I make more than enough to be able to sponsor him).  I’ve read mixed reviews about going the sponsorship route.  What do people think about applying for the visa this way?  I know they want to see ties to your home country but I noticed on the application it does not ask you if you own a house, car, etc. Likewise given the brevity of the interview and the lack of questions I do not feel he was given a chance to prove himself to the consular officer.  Would love to hear any advice people have as well as their own experiences. 

[appleblossom 3,116]

Just now, coolguy223 said:

Hi so my brother-in-law is in his early 20’s and just had a tourist visa denial. He’s a university student.  They gave him the generic denial letter that he did not demonstrate strong ties to his home country.  The interview maybe lasted 2 minutes and he was only asked about who his sister is (my wife), where he is going, purpose of his trip and where he’ll stay.  None of the documents he brought with him were looked at.  On the application he was given a choice of being either a student or to be employed. At the moment he is a full-time student but also works. On the visa application it does not give you the option to put that you’re a student and work as well (you have to choose between them) so chose to put that he works.  He makes about $300 a month, but as I said, he’s a student.  We want to re-apply but have him say that he’s a student, but a salary in the salary area and that I will sponsor him (I make more than enough to be able to sponsor him).  I’ve read mixed reviews about going the sponsorship route.  What do people think about applying for the visa this way?  I know they want to see ties to your home country but I noticed on the application it does not ask you if you own a house, car, etc. Likewise given the brevity of the interview and the lack of questions I do not feel he was given a chance to prove himself to the consular officer.  Would love to hear any advice people have as well as their own experiences. 

 

Which consulate?

[coolguy223 17]

6 minutes ago, appleblossom said:

 

Which consulate?

I’d rather not say just to keep things anonymous. May I write you a private message?

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13 minutes ago, coolguy223 said:

We want to re-apply but have him say that he’s a student, but a salary in the salary area and that I will sponsor him (I make more than enough to be able to sponsor him).

No such thing as sponsorship for a tourist visa. He is on his own.

Edited Tuesday at 08:34 PM by Crazy Cat

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4 minutes ago, coolguy223 said:

I’d rather not say just to keep things anonymous. May I write you a private message?

 

It’s not going to reveal anything, there were probably hundreds of tourist visas refused at that consulate just this month alone. It’s just whether or not it’s a high risk consulate so advice can be more tailored. 

 

But if you don’t want to say that’s fine. Your BIL can try again, although not straight away as that would be a pretty much guaranteed way to throw that money away, he should leave it a while and then try again. You can’t ‘sponsor’ him but he can say you’ll support him financially if he gets the opportunity, but stronger ties would increase his chances far more i.e. waiting until he’s finished studying and got a full-time job/his own home/a spouse. 

 

And just checking, but you haven’t filed a I-130 for him at any point?

Edited Tuesday at 08:35 PM by appleblossom

[coolguy223 17]

Hhh

Edited Tuesday at 08:40 PM by coolguy223

[coolguy223 17]

6 minutes ago, appleblossom said:

 

It’s not going to reveal anything, there were probably hundreds of tourist visas refused at that consulate just this month alone. It’s just whether or not it’s a high risk consulate so advice can be more tailored. 

 

But if you don’t want to say that’s fine. Your BIL can try again, although not straight away as that would be a pretty much guaranteed way to throw that money away, he should leave it a while and then try again. You can’t ‘sponsor’ him but he can say you’ll support him financially if he gets the opportunity, but stronger ties would increase his chances far more i.e. waiting until he’s finished studying and got a full-time job/his own home/a spouse. 

 

And just checking, but you haven’t filed a I-130 for him at any point?

It was the Tbilisi, Georgia embassy. He applied there 1.5 months ago.  I have not filed an i130 for him.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:41 PM by coolguy223

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3 minutes ago, coolguy223 said:

It was the Tbilisi, Georgia embassy. He applied there 1.5 months ago.  I have not filed an i130 for him.

 

 

OK, so a very high refusal rate, realistically until he’s got more ties it’s probably just going to be another refusal. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY23.pdf

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20 minutes ago, appleblossom said:

 

OK, so a very high refusal rate, realistically until he’s got more ties it’s probably just going to be another refusal. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY23.pdf

I follow what you’re saying but the truth is he was not even given a chance to prove ties to his home country.  I am happy to keep trying as many times as needed to help him get his visa.  

[JeanneAdil 6,647]

22 minutes ago, coolguy223 said:

I follow what you’re saying but the truth is he was not even given a chance to prove ties to his home country.  I am happy to keep trying as many times as needed to help him get his visa.  

Ties to home country should be sent in with the petition for the tourist visa 

when my MIL first applied we did not know that and she was handed denial paper in English on one side and her language on the other/ the date was the day before the interview. look at his paper to see date of denial.

Ties are 

owning property

bank account

money to afford the trip

in this case university registration and proof of money invested for return to school

 

CO will assume he will come and adjust to stay in USA /it would be a long wait , i know , if you did adjustment but CO knows he can marry here and adjust thru marriage .  that is the thinking of embassy when single men and women apply

[coolguy223 17]

4 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

Ties to home country should be sent in with the petition for the tourist visa 

when my MIL first applied we did not know that and she was handed denial paper in English on one side and her language on the other/ the date was the day before the interview. look at his paper to see date of denial.

Ties are 

owning property

bank account

money to afford the trip

in this case university registration and proof of money invested for return to school

 

CO will assume he will come and adjust to stay in USA /it would be a long wait , i know , if you did adjustment but CO knows he can marry here and adjust thru marriage .  that is the thinking of embassy when single men and women apply

 

How do you send documents with the application? I do not see a way to do that with the application.

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32 minutes ago, coolguy223 said:

I follow what you’re saying but the truth is he was not even given a chance to prove ties to his home country.  I am happy to keep trying as many times as needed to help him get his visa.  

 

His ties will have been asked about on his DS-160, generally the decision is made from the info given on that. 

 

I’d leave it for a while, presumably if he’s early 20’s he’ll be done studying in a year or two? So wait until he’s got a full-time job and then try again to maximise his chances. If he keeps trying and keeps being refused that’s not going to help his case at all. 

[gregcrs2 1,778]

You can't sponsor someone for a tourist visa.

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16 hours ago, coolguy223 said:

but a salary in the salary area

What do you mean?

 

16 hours ago, coolguy223 said:

I will sponsor him (I make more than enough to be able to sponsor him)

No such thing as a sponsorship for a tourist visa. You could be a millionaire and he could still be denied.

 

16 hours ago, coolguy223 said:

 I know they want to see ties to your home country but I noticed on the application it does not ask you if you own a house, car, etc.

That evidence has to be submitted at the time of applying.

 

16 hours ago, coolguy223 said:

Likewise given the brevity of the interview and the lack of questions I do not feel he was given a chance to prove himself to the consular officer.

The consular officer is in no obligation to ask for more proofs because, again, that evidence should have been submitted prior to the interview.

 

16 hours ago, coolguy223 said:

I am happy to keep trying as many times as needed to help him get his visa.  

Why is he so desperate to come? Applying multiple times will actually prove that he is desperate to come. He needs to wait a few more years, and reapply when things have changed for him and he's more established elsewhere.

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With a B you just submit the DS160