Student may still face being deported

[Fandango 1,439]

You are making an assumption that he has family in Mexico. "Hey uncle, you have not seen me in 25 years but..." He might not have ANY family but his parents, and if he does have any family, they are probably ESTRANGED.

I don't give a ####### about his parents. Unfortunately THEY broke the law. He did not! He was just a kid and any one at the border that okay-ed them taking the child over in the first place illegally, it should be THEIR fault, not this kids. And furthermore, if they came on visitors status and over stayed, then it is his parents who should be facing repercussions, not him. He had nothing to do with that illegal process. I just don't see how any one can point the finger at this kid. It really amuses me. I'm sick and tired of hearing this 12 million illegals ####### every day. Not once has an illegal immigrant bothered me or put a strain on my life.

He is 20 yrs old and pulled out a Mexican Identification card

Hello... People are not attempting to point fingers at Mexican. According to the article, he pulled out a Mexican ID, which would lead the average person to presume that his parents are Mexican.

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

*standing ovation*

ok, gotta go...but BRAVO ULING!

[mawilson 2,133]

He is 20 yrs old and pulled out a Mexican Identification card

Very good point, actually. Where does a guy who supposedly grew up in the U.S. get a Mexican ID card?

He clearly still has some sort of a connection to Mexico.

[Marilyn. 340]

maybe it was his birth certificate??

[buckeye6976 0]

I wonder if he claimed in-state or out-of-state tuition (assuming Arizona differntiates) knowing he wanted to become a lawyer?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

Edited August 14, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[natty bumppo 297]

..... the 20-year-old Arizona State University justice and economics student is dealing with life knowing he faces potential deportation.

But Espinoza-Vasquez's traffic stop led to questions that revealed he was living with a secret.

After police … asked him for identification. He said that when police refused his student and other ID cards, and threatened to arrest him if he did not present a legal form of identification, he gave police a Mexican ID.

An officer, he said, took the ID and phoned ICE.

"They (ICE) asked if I was in the country legally," he said. "I said, 'No.' "….

"People at school and my friends were surprised," he said. "I guess they had a stereotype of what an undocumented person is supposed to be like."

So he knew he was an illegal alien … and admits to this knowledge. That is a total admission of guilt in breaking the laws of the US.

Now for the “I’m trying so hard to be a good boy act” to activate the amnesty folks ..

In the meantime, Espinoza-Vasquez said he is focused on fulfilling his dream of a college degree.

He has increased his course load and takes a five-hour round-trip bus ride from Gilbert to ASU five days a week.

He is old enough to register for Selective Service? I wonder if he has ... or is this another law that was broken.

Link to SSS

He is an adult and if he was a USC would also be eligible to vote. Again ... here is adult status ... he knew he was wrong … and admitted his guilt.

My thoughts … sorry to hear about his dilemma … but see ya. He and his parents had lots of time to fix the wrong ... they choose not to ...

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

Even derivatives from approved visas have up to one year to follow / join the parent or file a petition (based upon immigration law). We can not permit aliens to pass go without paying the price. Now that's what I call unfair, immoral, unjustified, illegal, and most of all unreasonable. There are casualties in war and America must send a clear message to the rest of the world that coming here illegal will not be tolerated. Aliens are more than welcomed to come here legally. What other country puts up with this non-sense? Most of us are so far left that we can't see right. Would you permit someone to jump the gate surrounding your home, live in your backyard, utilize your resources, and live off of part of your take home pay without making any contribution to your household over a period of time. Of course not!

Hell, you wouldn't even let an American homeless person do that because as soon as you realized he was there, you would call the police to kick his/her behind off your property. What's the difference? Is it because the illegal, more than likely, comes from an impoverished nation and the American homeless person has (or had) the great opportunity of hope that this great nation offers? Even still, the pathway to citizenship should not be based upon illegal acts of individuals, which include the children of those individuals as well.

Think about it. Most immigrants not only want to make a better life for themselves, but for their children and grandchildren as well. Most would sacrifice their lives to give their children something better than they could ever have. So what's with a small sacrifice of breaking our immigration laws if the end result will be amnesty for the very lives the illegals fight so hard to make a life for. In their book, that's called success. In our book, that's called illegal with a minimum penalty of deportation.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

...and what happens if we did reform our immigration laws that would permit a person who has lived nearly his entire life here since childhood a path towards citizenship? Sounds reasonable to me.

[Carolyn 1]

For those who are unaware:

There are Mexican Consulates all over the United States--yes, even here in Minnesota far from the border of Mexico! At the consulate any Mexican national can obtain a Mexican ID cards with just their birth certificate (no need to go to Mexico for that).

At least in Minnesota, there is no way to get a driver's license without legal status (I think this is true in most states). Many, I dare say most, undocumented immigrants in Minnesota need to drive (because of our abomidable public transportation), so therefore they are all driving without a license or insurance. I'm not sure about you, but I would rather have them learn how to drive safely and have insurance.

I would like to invite you all to come spend a week in my inner-city public high school and come talk to some of my students (or go visit a school near you). Many of their lives are very similar to the young man in AZ. Before you go spouting off about deportation, come hear some of their stories.

I agree with Mr. Fancypants, what would it hurt to allow select, basically good and productive members of our society to have a path to citizenship? I don't think that it should be an automatic nor even a painless process . Sure, make some stringent requirements like paying a fine + back taxes, learning English, graduating from school, whatever seems appropriate.

Whether y'all like it or not, they are here to stay.

[Fandango 1,439]

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

...and what happens if we did reform our immigration laws that would permit a person who has lived nearly his entire life here since childhood a path towards citizenship? Sounds reasonable to me.

Well, for all intents (sorry, Stevo...I had to!) and purposes, it provides a reward to parents who illegally enter and stay, that's for one...

Edited August 14, 2007 by LisaD

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

...and what happens if we did reform our immigration laws that would permit a person who has lived nearly his entire life here since childhood a path towards citizenship? Sounds reasonable to me.

I would either have to live to fight another day or simply live with the governing law. But of course, that is NOT the current law. On this topic, I shall write no more... Thank you for the dialog...

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

Edited August 14, 2007 by Sheriff Uling

[ChristinaM 0]

Just because a law is opposed by many (especially those on the wrong side of it), does not make it an incorrect law.

Let's look at speeding, as an example. Outside school zones here in ME, the speed limit is 15 whilst kids are coming to and from school. Those who speed run a far greater risk of not only striking a child, but potentially doing them considerable harm. I have been known to drive through school zones faster than that - and I know I'm not alone. However, do you think all of us petitioning would change that law? I don't. Why, because it's for the common good. In this example it's safety, but is it for the good of the US to legalise every illegal immigrant? I don't think so.

So this guy came here without his consent when he was 3 years old, he's trying to do good things with his life, that's awesome. But he is still illegal. He is on the wrong side of the law. That is not open to debate - I assume that even you can see that, Steven. If we selectively legalise, where does one draw the line? How can you justify legalising this kid, when there are thousands like him throughout the country? The answer is that we can't. So what can this kid do? If he wants to be a fully-functioning member of American society, he needs to be legal - which means following the legal channels like the rest of us who want to be legal in this country.

JMHO

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Moving on...

He is a derivative of the illegal act which current law does not make him immune to the penalty of the law. He’s 20 years old attempting to blend into a society that theoretically has no record of his existence. How is that supposed to work? He’s smart enough to pursue the advancement of his education, but not the status of his residency. Something must give… Who pays the price in a situation like this one? Almost every one that is here illegally probably has a hardship story. It does not change the rule of the law or the responsibility to enforce the application of the law. Fortunately for US Citizens and unfortunately for illegals, we must draw the line between reasonable and abuse of the system. So, if illegals hold out long enough, amnesty will be given. That is the wrong message to send if America expects aliens to respect the rule of law. How can we expect aliens to be good citizens when the essence of their indirect pursuit of citizenship is illegal. That makes not sense… We have a formal process to enter this great nation.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

...and what happens if we did reform our immigration laws that would permit a person who has lived nearly his entire life here since childhood a path towards citizenship? Sounds reasonable to me.

I would either have to live to fight another day or simply live with the governing law. But of course, that is NOT the current law. On this topic, I shall write no more... Thank you for the dialog...

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

Amen and Hallelujah.

What's wrong with giving him a pathway to citizenship under the circumstances? We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S.. Let's not get caught up legal bureaucratic mind boggling that insists our immigration laws are not only fair and reasonable, but must be obeyed to the tee, no matter the circumstances. To me, that's just draconian and counter to what makes this country great. Deportation should NOT be the solution in this case.

So... are you implying that as long as the parents, who come here illegally, stay here long enough that their children may claim derivative status as those who come here legally?

...and what happens if we did reform our immigration laws that would permit a person who has lived nearly his entire life here since childhood a path towards citizenship? Sounds reasonable to me.

Well, for all intents (sorry, Stevo...I had to!) and purposes, it provides a reward to parents who illegally enter and stay, that's for one...

I'll bet if I had to fill up a chalk board with the correct phrase, 'for all intents and purpose', I'd never get it wrong again.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Just because a law is opposed by many (especially those on the wrong side of it), does not make it an incorrect law.

Let's look at speeding, as an example. Outside school zones here in ME, the speed limit is 15 whilst kids are coming to and from school. Those who speed run a far greater risk of not only striking a child, but potentially doing them considerable harm. I have been known to drive through school zones faster than that - and I know I'm not alone. However, do you think all of us petitioning would change that law? I don't. Why, because it's for the common good. In this example it's safety, but is it for the good of the US to legalise every illegal immigrant? I don't think so.

So this guy came here without his consent when he was 3 years old, he's trying to do good things with his life, that's awesome. But he is still illegal. He is on the wrong side of the law. That is not open to debate - I assume that even you can see that, Steven. If we selectively legalise, where does one draw the line? How can you justify legalising this kid, when there are thousands like him throughout the country? The answer is that we can't. So what can this kid do? If he wants to be a fully-functioning member of American society, he needs to be legal - which means following the legal channels like the rest of us who want to be legal in this country.

JMHO

Oh now, sure it is. Legality, criminal intent, civil liberties and even the definition of what makes a citizen of the U.S. a citizen are definitely open for debate.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

We don't know all the details, but I think logic and reason says this guy for all intense and purposes is a citizen of the U.S..

um no he's not........