Joint Sponsor required - How to send documents to Embassy

[Tesco 71]

I recently had my Immigrant interview where all went well until the end where I was given a green piece of paper with many options for the CO to mark against. Mine was marked ‘Joint Sponsor’

All was well with the i-864 income levels exceeding the poverty level, based on passive income that will continue in the U.S., (No RFE from the NVC). My spouse’s job is in the U.K, so will naturally end once we move.

I guess our issue is that although we have ‘cash assets’, that on their own without any other income would easily exceed the poverty levels, the option to use these has been made unavailable to us. Our only option (that is ticked off) is for a joint sponsor. Getting a joint sponsor is negligible to none at best, so effectively, as we can’t use assets, I can’t get a visa.

Is there any recourse with CO’s, such as they really should look at assets, or can they simply say ‘get a joint sponsor’ regardless of ‘cash’ assets'?

You’d think that sponsorship would first look to the resources from within the household and then look to a 3^rd party if those resources were insufficient.

Any thoughts would be welcomed – thank you.

[Lil bear 4,295]

29 minutes ago, Tesco said:

I recently had my Immigrant interview where all went well until the end where I was given a green piece of paper with many options for the CO to mark against. Mine was marked ‘Joint Sponsor’

All was well with the i-864 income levels exceeding the poverty level, based on passive income that will continue in the U.S., (No RFE from the NVC). My spouse’s job is in the U.K, so will naturally end once we move.

I guess our issue is that although we have ‘cash assets’, that on their own without any other income would easily exceed the poverty levels, the option to use these has been made unavailable to us. Our only option (that is ticked off) is for a joint sponsor. Getting a joint sponsor is negligible to none at best, so effectively, as we can’t use assets, I can’t get a visa.

Is there any recourse with CO’s, such as they really should look at assets, or can they simply say ‘get a joint sponsor’ regardless of ‘cash’ assets'?

You’d think that sponsorship would first look to the resources from within the household and then look to a 3^rd party if those resources were insufficient.

Any thoughts would be welcomed – thank you.

Did you list the cash assets in the original I864 that you submitted to NVC ? 

[Tesco 71]

3 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

Did you list the cash assets in the original I864 that you submitted to NVC ? 

No, as income was above the poverty level. 

[Ontarkie 14,419]

It is because you said your spouse's job will end in the UK. They cannot go by that income. Either try with your cash assets or sponsor.

[appleblossom 2,977]

Hopefully a mod will move this to the main forum, so more people see it - I’m specifically thinking of @pushbrk who is a whizz when it comes to the financial stuff, and others in the know. 

 

What was the passive income? I’m wondering if they won’t take that if it’s not guaranteed - i.e. if it’s from rental property that could be empty in the future? 

[Tesco 71]

15 hours ago, Ontarkie said:

It is because you said your spouse's job will end in the UK. They cannot go by that income. Either try with your cash assets or sponsor.

With the job income removed, (will not continue in the U.S.) passive income exceeded the poverty level & will continue though. The problem is, we can't use assets as that 'box' on the green form is not ticked. 

[Tesco 71]

53 minutes ago, appleblossom said:

Hopefully a mod will move this to the main forum, so more people see it - I’m specifically thinking of @pushbrk who is a whizz when it comes to the financial stuff, and others in the know. 

 

What was the passive income? I’m wondering if they won’t take that if it’s not guaranteed - i.e. if it’s from rental property that could be empty in the future? 

Retirement income, interest income and such like that will continue. Ultimately, cash asset resources should be acceptable from within the household, before venturing out to a 3rd person. 

 

Thank you and very much appreciate anyone else's thoughts...

[appleblossom 2,977]

17 minutes ago, Tesco said:

Retirement income, interest income and such like that will continue. Ultimately, cash asset resources should be acceptable from within the household, before venturing out to a 3rd person. 

 

Thank you and very much appreciate anyone else's thoughts...

 

I guess it depends on if it’s guaranteed or not i.e. dividends from stocks that could fluctuate wouldn’t be. But I agree that cash assets should be acceptable, I don’t see why you can’t submit evidence of that to meet the requirements.

 

It might be worth giving details of the number of people in the household and the amounts you’ve put on the application (plus amount of assets) so that those in the know can help, best of luck. 

Edited yesterday at 02:05 PM by appleblossom

[pushbrk 13,071]

There are not enough details presented here to form an opinion on whether the assets are sufficient.  Just because use of assets was not "ticked" does not mean you cannot use them.

 

What IS clear is that your affidavit of support was not correctly completed, in a way that the assets could be considered.  You entered income that cannot be used.

 

If your assets are liquid, and are well over three times the income requirement, they can and will be considered in London.  You mention "income" from the assets.  That would only count if it shows on the US Citizen's Federal tax return, consistently being above the income threshold.  Is that the case?  If it is, then your current income comes from the "total income" line of the 1040.  You can then state and document the value of the liquid assets, in the asset section.  

 

Armed with that information (exactly as stated above) do you still think you qualify?  

[Ryan H 3,821]

Moved from Progress Reports to Process & Procedures.

[Tesco 71]

At the end of my interview, I was told I needed a joint sponsor, (I had written a post on this, which has subsequently vanished).

Ultimately, I was able to secure a joint sponsor and have a copy of their signed and dated I-864, Bio page of U.S. Passport, W2 together with 1040 Tax Return for the most recent tax year. This required information came from the double-sided green form that was handed to me at the end of the interview. The form went on to say that I will receive an email in 1 to 2 days after my interview with instruction on how to send these documents. The email is the same as what’s noted on https://ais.usvisa-info.com/en-gb/iv and has received emails in the past, (courier and appointment confirmations). I have not received any email though in the 1 to 2 days as indicated.

Looking at CEAC, there is no option to upload documents for any other sponsor/joint sponsor, as only the primary sponsor is named.

There is an email address on the green form, unsure if I should upload the documents there? Would very much appreciate any guidance, perhaps someone else has experienced this? Thank you.

[Crazy Cat 42,112]

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[Tesco 71]

13 hours ago, pushbrk said:

There are not enough details presented here to form an opinion on whether the assets are sufficient.  Just because use of assets was not "ticked" does not mean you cannot use them.

 

What IS clear is that your affidavit of support was not correctly completed, in a way that the assets could be considered.  You entered income that cannot be used.

 

If your assets are liquid, and are well over three times the income requirement, they can and will be considered in London.  You mention "income" from the assets.  That would only count if it shows on the US Citizen's Federal tax return, consistently being above the income threshold.  Is that the case?  If it is, then your current income comes from the "total income" line of the 1040.  You can then state and document the value of the liquid assets, in the asset section.  

 

Armed with that information (exactly as stated above) do you still think you qualify?  

When my spouse completed the AOS, the form said not to go any further as income was sufficient, so part 7, (assets) were not needed. The income which includes 1099-R and other passive income was sufficient on their own, and will continue in the U.S. FEIE income filed on 2555 was not included as this will not continue Stateside. So passive income alone had taken us over the 125% threshold for our household of 2, there was no RFE from the NVC either.  All the income is shown on our tax return, (we file MFJ).

I guess my point is that the ‘assets’ part of the green form was not marked, so if we were multimillionaires, we would still need a joint sponsor as directed by the CO. Even if the household income was $0, we could very comfortably use 3 x assets to qualify. Much of those assets being U.S. based too; I was just not given the opportunity to send proof of the ‘cash’.

Thank you very much for your help on this. I have secured a joint sponsor though and subsequently posted a new question in relation to this as a now merged thread. I did of course want to respond to your message and to thank you very much for it.

[pushbrk 13,071]

6 hours ago, Tesco said:

When my spouse completed the AOS, the form said not to go any further as income was sufficient, so part 7, (assets) were not needed. The income which includes 1099-R and other passive income was sufficient on their own, and will continue in the U.S. FEIE income filed on 2555 was not included as this will not continue Stateside. So passive income alone had taken us over the 125% threshold for our household of 2, there was no RFE from the NVC either.  All the income is shown on our tax return, (we file MFJ).

I guess my point is that the ‘assets’ part of the green form was not marked, so if we were multimillionaires, we would still need a joint sponsor as directed by the CO. Even if the household income was $0, we could very comfortably use 3 x assets to qualify. Much of those assets being U.S. based too; I was just not given the opportunity to send proof of the ‘cash’.

Thank you very much for your help on this. I have secured a joint sponsor though and subsequently posted a new question in relation to this as a now merged thread. I did of course want to respond to your message and to thank you very much for it.

And your point about not being able to use the assets because the box was not ticked is simply wrong.  Do a new I-864 properly, by stating and documenting the assets.  One or both of you is an unemployed investor, so your income stated is the number called "total income" on the 1040.  The form does not tell you not to enter assets.  It says it's optional, if your income is sufficient.  What NVC did or did not do is irrelevant.  It is the Consular Officer that makes the decision.  They didn't tick the box about assets because they didn't know about them.  You think they should have and maybe you're right, but it doesn't matter.  You neither stated or documented the assets.  Start over, and do it the way I told you will work, and it will.