Egyptian girl dies during female circumcision

[SteveLaura 0]

I'm not suggesting that male circumcision is damaging. But I am saying that that's not a good enough reason to do it.

There are benefits to having an appendix removed. But we don't do it unless it's necessary at that time. There are no cultural/historic/traditional reasons to have an appendix removed, however, which is why it isn't prevalent.

The argument "why not?" when it comes to having a future son circumcised doesn't cut it for me (excuse the pun).

[GaryC 7]

I'm not suggesting that male circumcision is damaging. But I am saying that that's not a good enough reason to do it.

There are benefits to having an appendix removed. But we don't do it unless it's necessary at that time. There are no cultural/historic/traditional reasons to have an appendix removed, however, which is why it isn't prevalent.

The argument "why not?" when it comes to having a future son circumcised doesn't cut it for me (excuse the pun).

Personally speaking I am glad my parents had it done to me. I have no issues with any part of it.

[SteveLaura 0]

Personally speaking I am glad my parents had it done to me.

Why?

[GaryC 7]

Personally speaking I am glad my parents had it done to me.

Why?

It looks better (IMO and my wifes opinion), easier to keep it clean and from what I understand there are some "satisfaction" benefits for both myself and my wife. If I had the choice of going back to "natural" I would turn it down.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Personally speaking I am glad my parents had it done to me.

Why?

It looks better (IMO and my wifes opinion), easier to keep it clean and from what I understand there are some "satisfaction" benefits for both myself and my wife. If I had the choice of going back to "natural" I would turn it down.

But... you wouldn't really have a basis for comparison would you?

[thetreble 19]

He doesn't but I do

[Dan J 277]

It's a double standard to oppose female circumcision and advocate male circumcision. The health benefits are mostly minimal, and there is a risk of loosing the ability to use your member if the circumcision is botched as well as other complications.

http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth...d2-8278ec64f880

Edited August 13, 2007 by Dan + Gemvita

[thetreble 19]

It's a double standard to oppose female circumcision and advocate male circumcision. The health benefits are mostly minimal, and there is a risk of loosing the ability to use your member if the circumcision is botched as well as other complications.

http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth...d2-8278ec64f880

I'm not, for one, advocating male circumcision. All I am saying is that from what I have heard, seen and read, it would APPEAR that consequences are FAR greater in performing female circumcisions because of how they are performed. I probably would not have a problem with it if it was A) done at a medical facility with proper sterilized tools and by medical professionals and B)if the procedure was not rooted in keeping a woman from having the right to sexual pleasure.

Male circumcision, again, from what I have read, seen and heard, rules out both A and B. In my mind, therefore, since it is not damaging, I'm not for or against it. As long as it is safe and it really makes no changes to the way your body can function, if thats what mom and dad want, so be it.

Edited August 13, 2007 by thetreble

[SteveLaura 0]

As long as it is safe and it really makes no changes to the way your body can function, if thats what mom and dad want, so be it.

Why not wait and ask the child when he grows up? Why the rush to cut?

[keltic 1]

i believe i have posted on one of the other threads regarding this topic, but here goes...

this is a heated issue and i deal with it nearly on a daily basis thru my work, since i work with newborns... there are parents that want it done, some that dont, and others that just arent sure... i often have parents ask me what they should do... and i cant tell them... its not my place to decide for them what to do... i give them information and support the decision they make...

male circumcision is not currently recommended by the american academy of pediatrics... because the numbers regarding benefits are not significant enough to do so... but, again, this is a very personal issue and parents must do what they feel is right for their child... so, it is still offered...

here, and i can only speak for the 3 states that i have practiced nursing in, infants are given one or a combination of anesthetics... there is a cream that is rubbed on, but the most common is injections of lidocaine... and the vast majority of infants that i have seen or assisted with the procedure cry more about having their arms and legs placed in straps (to keep them from touching the sterile field) than they do when the procedure is actually happening or afterwards

there is increasing information on the benefit of having male circumcision in the prevention of the spreading of HIV... there are times that the foreskin is too tight and causes problems... there are reduced risks of penile cancer and cervical cancer for the man's partner, granted it is small, but it is still a reduction... it also does reduce UTIs which can cause damage to the kidneys...

yes, parents should teach kids to clean themselves to prevent UTIs... but even so, some kids still have persisting UTIs... despite their best efforts... and they wind up having the procedure done when they are older... towards the beginning of my nursing career, i worked in a same day surgery clinic... i have seen men as old as 65 coming in to have it done... and i will estimate that i saw about 5 a month being done due to complications that were unable to be managed without surgical intervention...

so, ultimately, if you dont want to do it to your son, DONT... but dont speak for other parents on this issue as you dont have to live their lives for them day in and out... male circumcision has some risks, but they are mostly immediate and correctible (ie bleeding, not enough being removed, etc)... it does not interfere with a mans ability to enjoy sex, otherwise all the circumcized men in this world would be standing up and complaining that they cant... one could argue that it decreases sensation, but unless you have lived both sides with your own #######, you cant speak for how it affects the life of another man... it doesnt prevent masturbation... it doesnt prevent a man from having children... it doesnt make a man merely a piece of property... it doesnt cause them pain on a consistent basis for the entirety of their lives... and it certainly doesnt leave a man paralyzed... AND there are multiple websites out there for men who want to regrow their foreskin with stretching...

in regards to female genital mutilation, i have yet to see a single benefit to the woman herself... all i see is how much pain and difficulty it causes in her life... the interruption with everything even down to just not be able to menstruate as she should... so, i am very much against it... and can not see a true comparison to male circumcision as done here

[thetreble 19]

Amen, sista. A health professional providing her experience in seeing ickle babies every day. That is the kind of personal experience that truly adds to a debate like this.

SteveLaura- Why not wait? Well, I'm not too sure. But would you want to have a surgical procedure to your manhood at 18? I think most would op-out even if it was to their benefit. Also, I was under the impression that the older you are, the more complications can arise because well, you have a fully grown #######. But I'm not so sure on that as I am not a medical professional. Maybe keltic can answer that one for me.

[SteveLaura 0]

But would you want to have a surgical procedure to your manhood at 18? I think most would op-out even if it was to their benefit.

Well, it depends on what you see as a benefit. I wouldn't opt out of a procedure for medical reasons, such as already stated. But it seems to me that health benefits are low on the totem pole for parents choosing circumcision in this country. It seems to be based on family tradition. Does Europe have higher rates of health problems due to having uncircumcised men? I mean, honestly, it ain't difficult to keep yer tackle clean, for god's sake.

[isleta521 5]

But would you want to have a surgical procedure to your manhood at 18? I think most would op-out even if it was to their benefit.

Well, it depends on what you see as a benefit. I wouldn't opt out of a procedure for medical reasons, such as already stated. But it seems to me that health benefits are low on the totem pole for parents choosing circumcision in this country. It seems to be based on family tradition. Does Europe have higher rates of health problems due to having uncircumcised men? I mean, honestly, it ain't difficult to keep yer tackle clean, for god's sake.

Well,

it depends on how much you go fishin

[SteveLaura 0]

But would you want to have a surgical procedure to your manhood at 18? I think most would op-out even if it was to their benefit.

Well, it depends on what you see as a benefit. I wouldn't opt out of a procedure for medical reasons, such as already stated. But it seems to me that health benefits are low on the totem pole for parents choosing circumcision in this country. It seems to be based on family tradition. Does Europe have higher rates of health problems due to having uncircumcised men? I mean, honestly, it ain't difficult to keep yer tackle clean, for god's sake.

Well,

it depends on how much you go fishin

I'll head 'em over, you knock 'em in.

[thetreble 19]

But would you want to have a surgical procedure to your manhood at 18? I think most would op-out even if it was to their benefit.

Well, it depends on what you see as a benefit. I wouldn't opt out of a procedure for medical reasons, such as already stated. But it seems to me that health benefits are low on the totem pole for parents choosing circumcision in this country. It seems to be based on family tradition. Does Europe have higher rates of health problems due to having uncircumcised men? I mean, honestly, it ain't difficult to keep yer tackle clean, for god's sake.

It's not JUST cleanliness though. I think there is a little bit more to it then that, and of course, family tradition as you say. From a woman's perspective, I just think it's....nicer? haha To each her own I suppose.