Post N-400 interview clean-up.

[Skyman 321]

Assuming my wife passes her interview, she then has the Oath, and needs a passport.  And then I also don't know if the SSA needs to be notified or does USCIS do that?

 

I assume she gets some certificate of naturalization to send in for the passport?  Do we get that right after the oath?  

 

I know that sometimes oaths are done right away and some are scheduled.  What is the typical wait for that?

[Crazy Cat 41,803]

1.  I believe there is a box on the N-400 application which allows USCIS to inform SSA of the status change.  Otherwise, the original Certificate of Naturalization has to be taken to SSA.

2.  New citizens receive their Certificate of Naturalization at the oath ceremony. 

3.  The oath ceremony could be same day or up to weeks later.  Depends on local office procedures.

Good luck.

[nelmagriffin 148]

Greetings!

The above (no. 1) is true, but if you have time, it is faster to just go straight to SSA and have it updated. I remembered, that after the ceremony, we went straight to SSA office, showed citizenship certificate then updated the status. The new card came few days later. then headed to USPS, attached citizenship certificate for the passport application. I had all forms ready, as well as the payment and signature, but prior to mailing, I made sure that I have a photo of my citizenship certificate in case it gets lost in the mail I have evidence, then mailed it, took three weeks, if I was not mistaken I had my passport and the citizenship certificate mailed/ given back a week before my passport,

And one more thing that I did was attaching the citizenship copy and mailed petition for my mom. So, I accomplished a lot during this day. Again, all forms and evidence were ready, I actually waited for this document before updating and mailing.

Congratulations!

Stacey

 

P.S.

At the location of the oath taking, there was a booth for passport application but there were a lot in line plus I had to copy certificate as it was needed for her immigration application submission on that day.

Edited October 29 by nelmagriffin

[Skyman 321]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:21 AM, nelmagriffin said:

 

The above (no. 1) is true, but if you have time, it is faster to just go straight to SSA and have it updated. I remembered, after the ceremony, we went straight to SSA office, showed citizenship certificate then updated the status. The new card came few days later.

Why did you get a new card?  Name change? 

I'm hoping her SSAN won't change. 

 

I probably did check the box for them to handle it but we'll be going to SSA soon and we'll do it too.

[OldUser 6,600]

Just now, Skyman said:

Why did you get a new card?  Name change? 

I'm hoping her SSAN won't change. 

 

I probably did check the box for them to handle it but we'll be going to SSA soon and we'll do it too.

SSN is only given once for life.

[nelmagriffin 148]

Greetings!

No name changes and absolutely no new number, it just to let SSA know that your status changes to citizen instead of a green card holder. Nowadays, it is different, as it has a statement in the application form for citizenship to click if you want SSA to know or update your status, back in the days no online citizenship application. Besides, it was faster as long as you can show your citizenship certificate as a proof.

P.S. Back in the days when you queue in the SSA office, there were two lines one for the US citizen and the other for the non- US citizen, but when I went there last year for my brother. there was only one line unlike before.

 

[top_secret 2,399]

On 10/27/2024 at 12:06 PM, Skyman said:

Assuming my wife passes her interview, she then has the Oath, and needs a passport.  And then I also don't know if the SSA needs to be notified or does USCIS do that?https://www.traveldoc.aero/#results

 

I assume she gets some certificate of naturalization to send in for the passport?  Do we get that right after the oath?  

 

I know that sometimes oaths are done right away and some are scheduled.  What is the typical wait for that?

 

Some states require you notify DMV of any changes in citizenship for any driver’s licenses or state IDs.  I 'think' Texas may be one of the fussier states on that point.

 

Also, under Philippine nationality law, naturalization in the US voids Filipino Citizenship and cancels the validity of any Philippine Passports.  While there is no requirement for her too, if she wants to retain Philippine Citizenship and become a dual citizen then she needs to go to a Philippine consulate OR the main BI office in Manila and swear a new oath to the Philippines and order a new Philippine passport (plus pay $50). This would also have implications for the Filipino citizenship of any future children. Since IIRC your family may still have substantial ties to the Philippines it might be important for your wife to require and maintain Filipino citizenship.

[Skyman 321]

6 hours ago, top_secret said:

Also, under Philippine nationality law, naturalization in the US voids Filipino Citizenship and cancels the validity of any Philippine Passports.  While there is no requirement for her too, if she wants to retain Philippine Citizenship and become a dual citizen then she needs to go to a Philippine consulate OR the main BI office in Manila and swear a new oath to the Philippines and order a new Philippine passport (plus pay $50). This would also have implications for the Filipino citizenship of any future children. Since IIRC your family may still have substantial ties to the Philippines it might be important for your wife to require and maintain Filipino citizenship.

I don't believe acquiring other citizenship voids Philippine citizenship but they want their $50 and payment for another passport. 

[top_secret 2,399]

23 minutes ago, Skyman said:

I don't believe acquiring other citizenship voids Philippine citizenship but they want their $50 and payment for another passport. 

 

 

You are undoubtedly correct about it being a money grab for $50 but under Philippine nationality law, naturalizing to another country most definitely does cause one to lose Filipino citizenship.  The worry would be if NOT being a Filipino citizen ever came up in any relevant way while in the Philippines.

 

https://houstonpcg.dfa.gov.ph/index.php/consular-services/dual-citizenship

[Skyman 321]

2 hours ago, top_secret said:

 

 

You are undoubtedly correct about it being a money grab for $50 but under Philippine nationality law, naturalizing to another country most definitely does cause one to lose Filipino citizenship.  The worry would be if NOT being a Filipino citizen ever came up in any relevant way while in the Philippines.

 

https://houstonpcg.dfa.gov.ph/index.php/consular-services/dual-citizenship

I've see6that but the actual law states "if you have lost your Philippine....".   For instance,  up until recently,  Germany did not allow dual citizenship and if a Filipino became German, and then recruited Philippine Citizenship and the German government found out, they would no longer be German. The US government does not, not allow dual citizenship. So you don't lose RP citizenship.  Nonetheless, it's $50.

[OldUser 6,600]

3 hours ago, Skyman said:

The US government does not, not allow dual citizenship. 

There is no ban or restriction from US government to having dual citizenship. They just consider you only a US citizen no matter how many other citizenships you hold.

[Californiansunset 336]

On 10/27/2024 at 12:54 PM, Crazy Cat said:

1.  I believe there is a box on the N-400 application which allows USCIS to inform SSA of the status change.  Otherwise, the original Certificate of Naturalization has to be taken to SSA.

2.  New citizens receive their Certificate of Naturalization at the oath ceremony. 

3.  The oath ceremony could be same day or up to weeks later.  Depends on local office procedures.

Good luck.

I wouldn’t say up to two weeks later. My N-400 interview was 11/5 at the San Diego field office and I was told I can expect my oath some time in December or January. 

[top_secret 2,399]

12 hours ago, Skyman said:

I've see6that but the actual law states "if you have lost your Philippine....".   For instance,  up until recently,  Germany did not allow dual citizenship and if a Filipino became German, and then recruited Philippine Citizenship and the German government found out, they would no longer be German. The US government does not, not allow dual citizenship. So you don't lose RP citizenship.  Nonetheless, it's $50.

 

The relevant Philippine law is Commonwealth Act No. 63 SECTION 1.

https://elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph/thebookshelf/showdocs/29/21438

 

Quote

Commonwealth Act No. 63

SECTION 1. How citizenship may be lost. --A Filipino citizen may lose his citizenship in any of the following ways and/or events:
1. By naturalization in a foreign country;
2. By express renunciation of citizenship;
3. By subscribing to an oath of allegiance to support the constitution or laws of a foreign country upon attaining twenty-one years of age or more;
4. By accepting commission in the military, naval or air service of a foreign country;
5. By cancellation of the certificate of naturalization;
6. By having been declared, by competent authority, a deserter of the Philippine army, navy or air corps in time of war, unless subsequently a plenary pardon or amnesty has been granted; and
7. In the case of a woman, upon her marriage to a foreigner if, by virtue of the law in force in her husband's country, she acquires his nationality.

 

By naturalizing in the US, Filipino citizens very unambiguously lose Filipino citizenship by both #1 and #3.

 

Republic Act No. 9225 amends Commonwealth Act No. 63 SECTIONS 2. and 3. to simplify retention and re-acquisition of Filipino citizenship but does not modify the ways that citizenship may be lost.  

https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2003/ra_9225_2003.html

 

So, under Philippine law, a Filipino Citizen absolutely loses Filipino citizenship when they naturalize in the US.  UNLESS, they fulfill the steps prescribed in R.A 9225.

 

If the argument is that there is no mechanism the Philippine government would catch someone who didn't tell them or that philippine laws aren't fair or important.  I won't go there.  The law is still the law.  In my own opinion if it does not matter to someone if they are Filipino Citizen or not, then they should just drop any claim to Philippine Citizenship and happily live life as a US Citizen and Balikbayan former-Filipino.  But if it might actually matter now or at some point in the future that they really are a Philippine Citizen then I would want to make sure they actually really are.  I would hate for it to come up in some kind of dispute with BI etc.

 

[Skyman 321]

14 hours ago, OldUser said:

There is no ban or restriction from US government to having dual citizenship. They just consider you only a US citizen no matter how many other citizenships you hold.

Exactly what I said.  The stance is that they neither allow nor disallow dual citizenship.  They don't recommend it.

[Skyman 321]

4 hours ago, top_secret said:

Commonwealth Act No. 63

SECTION 1. How citizenship may be lost. --A Filipino citizen may lose his citizenship in any of the following ways and/or events:

The key word here is "may"