Hillary says she has never been in favor of socialized medicine

[one...two...tree 2,762]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Apples and Oranges indeed. Seeing that no health care system is as expensive, inefficient and red tape laden as that in the US.

We pay by far the most for the least overall service in return.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

Edited August 11, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[KarenCee 3]

And that includes people with Insurance.

For example...I have to take Singulair for my asthma, in conjunction with two other meds for my asthma. Not to mention the meds for my nebulizer. Then there are the meds for my diabetes and cholesterol. I just can't afford the Singulair anymore...it costs me $50 a month, filed on my insurance, because the insurance company says I am under the age of 17. If I were under that age, I would only have to pay the regular copay of $25. Now, if Singulair was all I had to buy each month it would be no problem. But add to that the other meds I have to buy and it all adds up to quite a heft sum of money trying to stay healthy. So...I'm having to decide which one I can possibly do without...and Singulair is the one I had to eliminate. Yeah, I could go out and try to find another job that makes more money, but would I have the same insurance? I doubt it. What I have is supposedly the best in the state. *sigh* Compared to others it is since I have a state job so I hang on. At least I *have* insurance.

It's a sad day when a person has to decide which medication they can afford....and which they have to live without.

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

That's what I'm paying for our health insurance (HMO) family coverage. Add another $83 a month for family dental coverage. *sigh*

Edited August 11, 2007 by KarenCee

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

Don't forget the portion your employer contributes to your health insurance, general taxes that are used for avoidable emergency care for the uninsured, medicare taxes you already pay and so on. All in all - my premiums, employer's portion to the insurance for my family, medicare taxes, general taxes that go toward care for uninsured, co-pays, etc. - I think this here family shells out in the neighborhood of 10K a year for health care. And we don't see the doctor but for routine visits and we are not on any type of prescriptions. More than 3K of that 10K goes to pay for nothing but red tape. If we had a system similar to that of other comparable countries, that 3K would be far less than 1K. Not sure about those favoring the ridiculous wreck of a health care system the US sports but I could do with an extra $160.00 - $200.00 per month to spend on things other than wasteful fcuking red tape.

[KarenCee 3]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

Don't forget the portion your employer contributes to your health insurance, general taxes that are used for avoidable emergency care for the uninsured, medicare taxes you already pay and so on. All in all - my premiums, employer's portion to the insurance for my family, medicare taxes, general taxes that go toward care for uninsured, co-pays, etc. - I think this here family shells out in the neighborhood of 10K a year for health care. And we don't see the doctor but for routine visits and we are not on any type of prescriptions. More than 3K of that 10K goes to pay for nothing but red tape. If we had a system similar to that of other comparable countries, that 3K would be far less than 1K. Not sure about those favoring the ridiculous wreck of a health care system the US sports but I could do with an extra $160.00 - $200.00 per month to spend on things other than wasteful fcuking red tape.

YEAH!!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Doesn't sound like socialised healthcare.

Her original plan in 1993 was. I have a link here to the original plan. Way too long and complicated to post here or for me to even comment on it. Make up your own mind what it should have been called.

http://www.ibiblio.org/nhs/NHS-T-o-C.html

Hmmm I still didn't see the part where she advocated nationalising hospitals and turning healthcare workers into government employees - usually with a separate tax to pay for it.

Seemed to be more about regulating the provision of health insurance than anything else.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

mine runs about $35 a month, no thanks.......

[*julez* 124]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

That's exactly what I'm thinking Steve! I mean, I shell out the money every paycheck anyway - doesn't really matter to me if it goes to the HMO or the gov't, as long as I and the rest of the US gets more affordable health care.

[Jenn! 918]

I'm disappointed. I was originally thinking of voting for Obama, then I changed my mind as I don't like his HC plan. I thought Hillary was pro- universal healthcare. I would have discovered all of this eventually as I will look at all of them as the election draws nearer. Anyone want to point me in the direction of a candidate who does support UH?

Mike Gravel on UHC:

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

That's exactly what I'm thinking Steve! I mean, I shell out the money every paycheck anyway - doesn't really matter to me if it goes to the HMO or the gov't, as long as I and the rest of the US gets more affordable health care.

Moreover, how long do you pay those premiums and never use the services. I went to the doctor for a check up about 6 months ago, but that's about as far as I've used my health premiums from my current job. If I'm going to pay these premiums - but not use the services I'd rather that money somehow gets spent on someone who actually does need the care.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At what cost to people who are working?

Comparing the US system to the UK or any other country ... apples and oranges.

Either way we all pay, but with what I now pay through my employer for health insurance with very few actual benefits, I'd much rather pay into something that will provide affordable care for all. My copayments are ridiculous and I believe children should receive health care with no copayments. Children should be covered 100%. Period. End of story.

Well said!

how do you propose we pay for that? more taxes?

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

mine runs about $35 a month, no thanks.......

Military, yes? That means that you have socialized health care.

[thetreble 19]

I'm currently paying about $250 per month for health insurance. If we can have universal coverage that costs me less than that in added tax, most of us will be saving money rather than it being an added financial burden.

mine runs about $35 a month, no thanks.......

35 dollars? What kind of health insurance could you possibly have paying 35 bucks a month. My husband is now paying 160 for both of us. Again, when's the last time we really used the services? He hurt his shoulder awhile back, and his copay at the hospital was 150 bucks. 150 dollars!!!!

For a Canadian all of this is hard to understand. I lived with socialized medicine for 23 years. It always took care of me. My dad also always had good supplemental insurance to pay no cost at all for our medicines. I mean it is not perfect, by any means. There have been a lot of long lines to wait in at the urgent care or hospital in my life But I don't know...we never had to worry about such costs before. It scares me a lot as someone who is just learning about all of this stuff.

[GaryC 7]

I pay $130/month for Blue Cross PPO family plan and that includes dental. I have no desire to see that change in any way.