I751 RFE

[ram1009 43]

5 hours ago, Lemonslice said:

Are you against adding each other as beneficiaries on financial documents?

 

What about wills, living wills?  Those things are important in life, not just for immigration... Are yours set up to someone else, or did you simply forget to set it up (wills, beneficiaries)?

USCIS is already in possession of my will which leaves most of my belongings to my daughter (previous marriage) except my (substantial) savings account to my wife.  Apparently they were not impressed.

[ram1009 43]

6 hours ago, Bob in Boston said:

I did it all. Put her on life ins policies, utility bills,holiday greeting cards addressed to both of us. Ids and licenses  with same address, pictures of us on vacation and with each other's families. Use your imagination.  Like I said it's a game, play it. Once you are done with them you can go back to your old ways. For the record a little on our background. Wife was a 24 year overstay and they had us set up for a stokes interview. Once the officer seen how prepared we were he thanked me for making this easy for him and my wife and him came out laughing and joking. Card produced 3 hours later. Play the game and give them what they want. Put some effort into it and take it seriously. 4 years almost to the day  to citizenship.

I do take this very seriously.  I spent many hours preparing our original i751 but we live very simply.  My health doesn't allow travel and neither of us have any family nearby.  Also, I'm doing this very grudgingly because I firmly believe that the rule USCIS uses to compel an American citizen (me) to prove he is innocent of a crime is unconstitutional.  If I were younger I would spend every dime I have on lawyers to fight this.

[Lemonslice 4,841]

8 hours ago, ram1009 said:

I do take this very seriously.  I spent many hours preparing our original i751 but we live very simply.  My health doesn't allow travel and neither of us have any family nearby.  Also, I'm doing this very grudgingly because I firmly believe that the rule USCIS uses to compel an American citizen (me) to prove he is innocent of a crime is unconstitutional.  If I were younger I would spend every dime I have on lawyers to fight this.

I went back to your history.  Have you talked to someone about that persecution complex? 

 

Someone will find the exact statistics for you, but 90%+ of removal of conditions are approved.  Just keep sending all that you have.  No one is trying to get you.

 

[Stubmeister 31]

Lemon slice said:

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I went back to your history.  Have you talked to someone about that persecution complex? 

 

Someone will find the exact statistics for you, but 90%+ of removal of conditions are approved.  Just keep sending all that you have.  No one is trying to get you.

I ran into the same boat. The wife wanted to establish her own line of credit. So I provided them with my wife and children being enrolled in my health benefits. On some insurance from the bank. They sent another RFE just like you requesting more proof. I thought, you want proof, I'll give you proof. I got my son and my daughter-in-law who were our witnesses at our wedding to attest that our marriage was not a sham, (that was something they requested), I sent them my wife's 'Durable Power of Attorney', 'Living Will' and Legal Will. I sent them a copy of the medical lawsuit in which we are involved in, (all 24 pages!), a copy of the legal proceeding in which, (I now have), adoption of our daughter and just for good measure, I had my lawyer write up a letter attesting to the fact that he knows us to be wedded and is handling our 'other' legal affairs for us. Just for good measure, I wrote a testament myself since I was doing all the preparation. All in all I ended up sending them another ream of paper, ($18 to ship!). The last word I got from USCIS was that they were moving our case from the Nebraska office to the St. Louis office. But that was almost 7 months ago.

[ram1009 43]

2 hours ago, Stubmeister said:

Lemon slice said:

I ran into the same boat. The wife wanted to establish her own line of credit. So I provided them with my wife and children being enrolled in my health benefits. On some insurance from the bank. They sent another RFE just like you requesting more proof. I thought, you want proof, I'll give you proof. I got my son and my daughter-in-law who were our witnesses at our wedding to attest that our marriage was not a sham, (that was something they requested), I sent them my wife's 'Durable Power of Attorney', 'Living Will' and Legal Will. I sent them a copy of the medical lawsuit in which we are involved in, (all 24 pages!), a copy of the legal proceeding in which, (I now have), adoption of our daughter and just for good measure, I had my lawyer write up a letter attesting to the fact that he knows us to be wedded and is handling our 'other' legal affairs for us. Just for good measure, I wrote a testament myself since I was doing all the preparation. All in all I ended up sending them another ream of paper, ($18 to ship!). The last word I got from USCIS was that they were moving our case from the Nebraska office to the St. Louis office. But that was almost 7 months ago.

 

On 10/15/2024 at 11:34 AM, Lemonslice said:

I went back to your history.  Have you talked to someone about that persecution complex? 

 

Someone will find the exact statistics for you, but 90%+ of removal of conditions are approved.  Just keep sending all that you have.  No one is trying to get you.

 

I beg to differ with you.  Someone is out to get me but not just me.  It's every US citizen spouse of a K1 bride.  The US constitution says that all citizens are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  That includes me.  There's little doubt that USCIS is threatening to deport my wife if we don't prove we didn't break any of their rules pertaining to our marriage.  And, we don't even get the benefit of a court of law.  If USCIS finds 90%+ of K1 marriages to be legitimate then clearly there's no need to threaten deportation.  An old expression:  It's better that 10 guilty people go free than one innocent person be found guilty.

[Lemonslice 4,841]

27 minutes ago, ram1009 said:

 

I beg to differ with you.  Someone is out to get me but not just me.  It's every US citizen spouse of a K1 bride.  The US constitution says that all citizens are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  That includes me.  There's little doubt that USCIS is threatening to deport my wife if we don't prove we didn't break any of their rules pertaining to our marriage.  And, we don't even get the benefit of a court of law.  If USCIS finds 90%+ of K1 marriages to be legitimate then clearly there's no need to threaten deportation.  An old expression:  It's better that 10 guilty people go free than one innocent person be found guilty.

 

K1 has nothing to do with removal of conditions.  ROC has to be done by many immigrants who never had a K1.  It is an administrative process, not a court case; no one is found guilty.  US citizens are not judged, but immigrants have to remove conditions by providing proper evidence. 
You said yourself you do not have traditional evidence of your bonafide marriage, so how do you expect them to validate it, without submitting enough evidence?  Clerks, officers, or judges, no matter who handles your file, they are not mind readers. 

 

Again, just submit everything she has.  At worst, she files again (and will have more evidence by then).

Best of luck to your wife.  

[ram1009 43]

48 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

 

K1 has nothing to do with removal of conditions.  ROC has to be done by many immigrants who never had a K1.  It is an administrative process, not a court case; no one is found guilty.  US citizens are not judged, but immigrants have to remove conditions by providing proper evidence. 
You said yourself you do not have traditional evidence of your bonafide marriage, so how do you expect them to validate it, without submitting enough evidence?  Clerks, officers, or judges, no matter who handles your file, they are not mind readers. 

 

Again, just submit everything she has.  At worst, she files again (and will have more evidence by then).

Best of luck to your wife.  

I only know about the K1s getting screwed over.  If you say there are others, I believe you.The guilty party is the one who gets deported.  Maybe you don't consider that a punishment but I do.  And if my wife is guilty so am I.  We did the same thing.  As far as I know USCIS doesn't press charges against the US citizen.  I'm sure their legal department told them it would never fly.  I believe I could convince a judge to see this my way although I have no plans to do so.  It wouldn't surprise me if the immigration judges already agree with me.  I'm sorry you don't.  BTW, there's nothing even slightly edgy about our marriage.  We have lived together as a married couple every minute of every day since her plane landed in the US.  I would think nearly 5 years of that would be enough to satisfy even USCIS.

[OldUser 6,662]

1 hour ago, ram1009 said:

I only know about the K1s getting screwed over.  If you say there are others, I believe you.The guilty party is the one who gets deported.  Maybe you don't consider that a punishment but I do.  And if my wife is guilty so am I.  We did the same thing.  As far as I know USCIS doesn't press charges against the US citizen.  I'm sure their legal department told them it would never fly.  I believe I could convince a judge to see this my way although I have no plans to do so.  It wouldn't surprise me if the immigration judges already agree with me.  I'm sorry you don't.  BTW, there's nothing even slightly edgy about our marriage.  We have lived together as a married couple every minute of every day since her plane landed in the US.  I would think nearly 5 years of that would be enough to satisfy even USCIS.

Whether we all agree or disagree the only opinion that matters is of USCIS. They have key to the kingdom and petitioner is responsible for proving they're eligible for immigration benefit. We may like it, we may not like it, but burden of proof is on petitioner. If I recall correctly, this is one of the first chapters in their manual. If you're playing their game (filing immigration case), you should play by their rules. Accepting this fact will help getting the benefit faster. Resisting it makes you the party delaying your spouse's immigration. You cannot blame USCIS, the rules are out there in public and they don't change this often.

 

Not just K-1 have to go through this. Many people adjusting status from visitor's, work or other visa have to do the same when it comes to removal of conditions.

 

I'd say it's more widespread to share at least some finances in the marriage. By doing that you're putting money where your mouth is. Isolating finances from each other is highly suspicious in the eyes of USCIS. Hence request for more evidence.

 

Good luck!

 

Edited October 21 by OldUser

[Lemonslice 4,841]

1 hour ago, ram1009 said:

I only know about the K1s getting screwed over.  If you say there are others, I believe you.The guilty party is the one who gets deported.  Maybe you don't consider that a punishment but I do.  And if my wife is guilty so am I.  We did the same thing.  As far as I know USCIS doesn't press charges against the US citizen.  I'm sure their legal department told them it would never fly.  I believe I could convince a judge to see this my way although I have no plans to do so.  It wouldn't surprise me if the immigration judges already agree with me.  I'm sorry you don't.  BTW, there's nothing even slightly edgy about our marriage.  We have lived together as a married couple every minute of every day since her plane landed in the US.  I would think nearly 5 years of that would be enough to satisfy even USCIS.

Again, no one is getting deported.  She files again with more evidence. 

 

As for the rest of your rant, that won't fix your wife's current situation, so you might want to reach out to local organizations helping immigrants (https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/ ), your elected representatives, a friend, or therapist.

[ram1009 43]

10 hours ago, Lemonslice said:

Again, no one is getting deported.  She files again with more evidence. 

 

As for the rest of your rant, that won't fix your wife's current situation, so you might want to reach out to local organizations helping immigrants (https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/ ), your elected representatives, a friend, or therapist.

Two responses to your post:  First, thank you for the link.  I will see what they have to offer.  Second, your suggestion that I'm mentally ill is insulting.  If you really think, that I'd prefer you reply no further.    Recognizing a governmental abuse does not constitute mental illness.  An old expression says:  "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Truer words were never spoken.  USCIS has absolute power over immigrants and they have definitely become corrupted.

[ram1009 43]

11 hours ago, OldUser said:

Whether we all agree or disagree the only opinion that matters is of USCIS. They have key to the kingdom and petitioner is responsible for proving they're eligible for immigration benefit. We may like it, we may not like it, but burden of proof is on petitioner. If I recall correctly, this is one of the first chapters in their manual. If you're playing their game (filing immigration case), you should play by their rules. Accepting this fact will help getting the benefit faster. Resisting it makes you the party delaying your spouse's immigration. You cannot blame USCIS, the rules are out there in public and they don't change this often.

 

Not just K-1 have to go through this. Many people adjusting status from visitor's, work or other visa have to do the same when it comes to removal of conditions.

 

I'd say it's more widespread to share at least some finances in the marriage.  I agree.   By doing that you're putting money where your mouth is. Isolating finances from each other is highly suspicious in the eyes of USCIS. Hence request for more evidence.  Not more evidence but rather evidence that cannot exist in our situation.  We're being punished for being debt free and being frugal plus USCIS fails to recognize we have been together for almost 5 years.  I'm 78 and my wife is 74.  What is our end game if this is a conn?  What's the point to harassing us for the last years of our lives?  

 

Good luck!

 

I recognize that USCIS has absolute power over immigration.  In fact that is the problem.  An old expression says:" Absolute power corrupts absolutely"  Truer words were never spoken.  I recognize the futility of resisting the rules but at the same time I recognize the benefits of pointing out governmental abuse when I see it.  Apparently you don't.

[Lemonslice 4,841]

44 minutes ago, ram1009 said:

Two responses to your post:  First, thank you for the link.  I will see what they have to offer.  Second, your suggestion that I'm mentally ill is insulting.  If you really think, that I'd prefer you reply no further.    Recognizing a governmental abuse does not constitute mental illness.  An old expression says:  "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Truer words were never spoken.  USCIS has absolute power over immigrants and they have definitely become corrupted.

Sorry you misconstrued my answer.  Best of luck.

[ram1009 43]

12 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

Sorry you misconstrued my answer.  Best of luck.

You added the word "therapist" to your list of places to seek help.  How could I misconstrue that?  You're entitled to your opinion.  I'm just not interested in the opinion of someone who suspects I'm mentally disturbed......or worse.