Vaccine documents added after moving to the USA - do they need a Civil Servant or not? And more...

[Dragonsarereal 14]

The check box has many lines, one says complete. the last line says I elect not to be vaccinated at the time of the medical. So it's clear to me that the form is not complete. I guess I will be asked to send it at some point. USCIS so far has not asked me for any more documents. Thanks

[OldUser 6,624]

3 minutes ago, Dragonsarereal said:

The check box has many lines, one says complete. the last line says I elect not to be vaccinated at the time of the medical. So it's clear to me that the form is not complete. I guess I will be asked to send it at some point. USCIS so far has not asked me for any more documents. Thanks

You'll probably need I-693 at some point. Knowing you declined some vaccinations during exam, how isn't it obvious that exam is incomplete? 

[Boiler 45,466]

K1/2 does not require a complete medical, that can be done or finished in the US.

 

I cant tell if you did, certainly sounds like you did not so will need to complete the Medical in the US so you can adjust. Civil Surgeons are independent and can basically charge what they want, may need to ring around, get whatever you are missing elsewhere first.

 

Schooling is a State issue.

[J.M. 230]

34 minutes ago, Dragonsarereal said:

we thought that the immigration vaccines were done so we could be safe in every day life including school. Also the USCIS has not explained at what point I am to give them my medical documents with all the results and jabs?

Schools have requirements that immigration does not.  On the immigration side, since you have already filed AOS, all you can do now is wait to see if they are happy with your medical results and vaccines.  If not, they will let you know what is lacking.  For the school side, you just have to comply with whatever they ask.

Edited September 27 by J.M.

[K1visaHopeful 2,813]

38 minutes ago, Dragonsarereal said:

we thought that the immigration vaccines were done so we could be safe in every day life including school. Also the USCIS has not explained at what point I am to give them my medical documents with all the results and jabs?

Vaccinations are a choice.

If you weren't immigrating to the US, you'd choose whether or not to be vaccinated. Other organizations like school or employment in some countries require vaccines too.

 

My issue is not understanding what you aren't understanding because when I ask a direct question I get no response to be able to help you.

 

If you are asking about school vaccines, I can move this post over to a forum where you can get answers about everyday life in the US as an immigrant. 

 

I am answering from the K1 AOS IMMIGRATION perspective as that's where you've posted this. 

 

I485 instructions state when anyone applying for a AOS would have to submit their medical documents. It also explains the K1 exception to having to do that. 

 

Other AOSer who are not K1s OR who ARE K1s who have not completed their vaccinations (which still could be you but you haven't answered clearly) are required to complete a medical in the US by a civil surgeon and to submit an I693.

WHEN that is to be done is clarified in the I693 instructions.

That MAY BE YOU so after you've examined your DS3025 for completeness and read through the policy manual on how DS3025s are evaluated to ensure yours IS or ISN'T complete, AND determined IF  you need an I693 or not, it would be wise to read through the I693 instructions too to know WHEN to complete and WHEN and HOW to submit. 

 

As we can't see your records, you're going to have to do the researching.

Edited September 27 by K1visaHopeful

[Dragonsarereal 14]

thanks K1visaHopeful, 

you can perhaps move this post to the other thread. I will need to re - read the form I693 to understand the timing. I read in the forums here last week that someone who like us could not complete the vaccinations as not available, did them in the USA and when required to submit the medicals, simply added the certificate of the vaccinations, without going to a Civil Surgeon. This is why I was asking. I read the USCIS description of the DS3025 many times and it did not answer my questions re.what happens here in the USA. I appreciate your help! BY the way  my missing vaccination box says D which I found out is 'not available' and not 'deferred'. 

[ineedadisplayname 496]

11 hours ago, OldUser said:

You'll probably need I-693 at some point. Knowing you declined some vaccinations during exam, how isn't it obvious that exam is incomplete? 

At some medical they don't even tell you that you are "missing" shots. I had the same experience when I picked up my medical and saw on the copy that it was marked that UPPERCASE I elected not to. I told them and was told for K1 this is all I need. At the end it cost me like $320 to get the missing/outdated vaccine and get the new form prepared by a doctor in the US.

 

Also shop around regarding the civil surgeon because some are cheaper. I drove 45 minutes out to the middle of nowhere and saved like $200 and still got a very nice and modern office and a knowledgeable doctor. I've sent the form in email to the civil surgeon i talked with, they told me what I need, scheduled it, went and go the shot, the new form was almost done, after the shot waited like 20 minutes and they gave the sealed envelope that I added to the AOS pack when I sent it in. If you already did the AOS they might RFE you for it, or will ask for it at the AOS interview.

 

Also make sure the civil surgeon doesn't try to sell you a full medical for $$$$ that you don't need. (e.g when i was calling around to figure this out 2 of them told me that i need the full medical done by them without even looking/asking for any documentation i've had and i told them thanks no :), at the end found the right one)

Edited September 27 by ineedadisplayname

[Verrou 1,962]

5 minutes ago, ineedadisplayname said:

At some medical they don't even tell you that you are "missing" shots. I had the same experience when I picked up my medical and saw on the copy that it was marked that UPPERCASE I elected not to. I told them and was told for K1 this is all I need. At the end it cost me like $320 to get the missing/outdated vaccine and get the new form prepared by a doctor in the US.

 

Also shop around regarding the civil surgeon because some are cheaper. I drove 45 minutes out to the middle of nowhere and saved like $200 and still got a very nice and modern office and a knowledgeable doctor. I've sent the form in email, they told me what I need, scheduled it, went and go the shot, the new form was almost done, after the shot waited like 20 minutes and they gave the sealed envelope that I added to the AOS pack when I sent it in.

smaller cities has less civil surgeon hence they charge whatever they want, while big cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, hundreds of USCIS appointed civil surgeon that have competitive price. sometimes i think to drive further away to get cheaper price actually its not a bad idea (i drive electric, so gas price is not really an issue).

 

where i live at that time i need i-693 there are only 7 civil surgeon and the cheapest are almost $400 (almost 3 years ago) without any vaccines ( i have complete vaccines that's needed & i got it not because of i-693 requirement). now, it's down to 5 civil surgeons and the price is getting ridiculous and their office to be funny and said " u have to be our patients aka u have to get a primary care from our office" which is stupid since i have one and i don't want to switch just because i need to see civil surgeon. 

 

while i did call almost 80 civil surgeons in NYC/NJ in 1 day, and their pricing is incredibly stupid cheap. i can even find civil surgeon in Flushing (local chinatown in Queens, NY) for $95 without vaccine at that time

[OldUser 6,624]

14 minutes ago, ineedadisplayname said:

Also make sure the civil surgeon doesn't try to sell you a full medical for $$$$ that you don't need. (e.g when i was calling around to figure this out 2 of them told me that i need the full medical done by them without even looking/asking for any documentation i've had and i told them thanks no :), at the end found the right one)

Majority of Civil Surgeons would be scared to lose their license by trusting DS-3025 completed by somebody else and signing the I-693 without performing a full medical. I'd say you were very lucky to find somebody who agreed to do what they did. 

[ineedadisplayname 496]

35 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Majority of Civil Surgeons would be scared to lose their license by trusting DS-3025 completed by somebody else and signing the I-693 without performing a full medical. I'd say you were very lucky to find somebody who agreed to do what they did. 

I mean it is not by somebody. They have to be certified to fill out the DS-3025. It is not like I went to a random doctor in Romania and they gave me the form.

 

So yeah they should trust and not do the full medical.

Edited September 27 by ineedadisplayname

[OldUser 6,624]

1 hour ago, ineedadisplayname said:

I mean it is not by somebody. They have to be certified to fill out the DS-3025. It is not like I went to a random doctor in Romania and they gave me the form.

 

So yeah they should trust and not do the full medical.

Anybody can produce DS-3025 and put some signature on it. From what I heard it's rare for a doctor to trust somebody else's work and be liable for it.

 

With USCIS, applicants produce fake divorce certs, fake birth certs, passports. DS-3025 is probably one of the easiest to forge.

Edited September 27 by OldUser

[Dragonsarereal 14]

Okay guys, that was very useful, thanks a lot. Now my last question about the -added vaccine- to the medical files...

We both had the first dose of Hepatitis B which was fine for the medical. Now though I wonder if it's mandatory to have dose 2 and 3? The papers do not specify this. Also, hepatitis B is mandatory unto 59 y.o. and I will turn 60 in January. USCIS so far says It will be 5 months for their decision. I was hoping to avoid it as needles are not my favorite (my arm ached for 3 days after each vaccine)

We now both have doctors appointments to sort out the vaccinations.

Thanks a lot!

[J.M. 230]

The initial dose of Hep B vaccine satisfies immigration requirements.  Only the first dose of a vaccine series is required for immigration purposes.  Your daughter will probably need the other 2 doses to meet school requirements, but I'm sure the school will let you know exactly what she needs.

[Dragonsarereal 14]

thank you! Found my answer on USCIS later, https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements '

Certain vaccine series can only be completed with multiple visits to the civil surgeon. Am I required to complete the entire series before the civil surgeon can sign the Form I-693?

A. You are only required to receive a single dose of each vaccine when you visit the civil surgeon. You are encouraged to follow up with your private health care provider to complete the series. Once you have received the single dose appropriate at the time, the civil surgeon can sign and certify the Form I-693.'

[Taylor M 1]

@J.M. question related to your response - you stated that you took a copy of the DS-3025 and had them add the new vaccines. Were you required to undergo a second medical exam in order to get the new vaccines added to the DS-3025? The reason I am asking is, my husband received his medical in Jamaica, he was informed by the physician he would need additional vaccines and told him he could complete them here in the U.S. Fast forward to now - we need the vaccines to submit for AOS. We have the DS-3025 (1 page is what we were provided, which I see you replied there are 2 pages), however we are being told by multiple places here in the U.S. that they will not update the DS-3025 without completing a second full medical exam. Did you run into this as well? 

 

Additionally, are you able to receive the vaccines from anywhere i.e. a pharmacy, health dept, etc, and then take the vaccines provided to the Civil Surgeon for them to update the DS-3025? I appreciate any feedback you have!