Utah Zoom Marriage

[us-citizen 2]

40 minutes ago, SalishSea said:

And while you’re having these tantrums about how victimized you feel, you are not even acknowledging the good advice and solutions you’re getting in this thread.  

Makes people think you just want to whine and be entitled, rather than taking action to fix your situation.

With all due respect not so. Each and every suggestion was thoroughly thought through. And was accounted for.

Edited September 10 by us-citizen

[us-citizen 2]

1 hour ago, W199 said:

Why are you even supplying your naturalization certificate in your K-1 application?  For proof of citizenship a copy of your US passport is another option instead of a naturalization certificate.

 

At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400. Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things.  Yet you continue to refuse to provide the information while literally begging them to answer and clarify your questions, and keep suggesting weird odd plans to file for multiple CR1, instead of doing things in a proper manner.  Its as if you are hiding something.

 

I'm out ...

 

Okay. I have not realized it is so important.

But I did agree with the statement that it might apply: "USCIS may never give your future spouse any sort of immigration visa if they're not happy about your naturalization" as the cause of these issues per se. I thought it was enough.

"Why are you even supplying your naturalization certificate in your K-1 application?  For proof of citizenship a copy of your US passport is another option instead of a naturalization certificate"

I was given the list of documents by the lawyers office which filed my K-1 petition. The list of documents contained both: CoN and Passport. My guess the Service requires CoN if the petitioner was naturalized.

"At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400."

I was married to a US Citizen who turned out to be a crazy person (actually was diagnosed), even physically abusive. We divorced even before I got my citizenship because it was unbearable, just a madhouse, then and she made a lot of trouble for me, which in turn made my naturalization case difficult.

"Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

Please, I am listening quite carefully and any good advice is welcome.

"as if you are hiding something"

I am not hiding anything. I just said it all. Sorry, I did not realize all these details were necessary.

[SalishSea 17,801]

4 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

 

Okay. I have not realized it is so important.

But I did agree with the statement that it might apply: "USCIS may never give your future spouse any sort of immigration visa if they're not happy about your naturalization" as the cause of these issues per se. I thought it was enough.

"Why are you even supplying your naturalization certificate in your K-1 application?  For proof of citizenship a copy of your US passport is another option instead of a naturalization certificate"

I was given the list of documents by the lawyers office which filed my K-1 petition. The list of documents contained both: CoN and Passport. My guess the Service requires CoN if the petitioner was naturalized.

"At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400."

I was married to a US Citizen who turned out to be a crazy person (actually was diagnosed), even physically abusive. We divorced even before I got my citizenship because it was unbearable, just a madhouse, then and she made a lot of trouble for me, which in turn made my naturalization case difficult.

"Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

Please, I am listening quite carefully and any good advice is welcome.

"as if you are hiding something"

I am not hiding anything. I just said it all. Sorry, I did not realize all these details were necessary.

Was your divorce decree included in the original I-129F packet?

[us-citizen 2]

7 hours ago, SalishSea said:

Was your divorce decree included in the original I-129F packet?

 

Yes, of course.

[us-citizen 2]

8 hours ago, SalishSea said:

Was your divorce decree included in the original I-129F packet?

 

An attorney filed my K-1 I-129F petition. Everything was done properly, everything was included, with very good evidence of multiple meetings, photos, boarding passes, descriptions, etc. We expected rather an easy approval with no delays.

[OldUser 6,604]

4 hours ago, us-citizen said:

 

An attorney filed my K-1 I-129F petition. Everything was done properly, everything was included, with very good evidence of multiple meetings, photos, boarding passes, descriptions, etc. We expected rather an easy approval with no delays.

What is attorney's opinion on all of this? Why aren't they handling the case? Did attorney know about naturalization certificate issue? Was this discussed when filing I-129F?

Edited September 10 by OldUser

[us-citizen 2]

8 minutes ago, OldUser said:

What is attorney's opinion on all of this? Why aren't they handling the case? Did attorney know about naturalization certificate issue? Was this discussed when filing I-129F?

 

The attorney's office was waiting for my feedback (explanations, more details, etc.) in response to the RFE concerns, and I just sent all I could yesterday after carefully listening everybody in these 2 threads what's important in this case, so I will not miss anything in my response to the lawyer.

So the attorney's office is to contact me in the nearest future. 

"Did attorney know about naturalization certificate issue? Was this discussed when filing I-129F?"

Frankly, I don't think they noticed it or had any concern about this being of any importance since all my divorce documentation was in order.

[us-citizen 2]

20 hours ago, W199 said:

Why are you even supplying your naturalization certificate in your K-1 application?  For proof of citizenship a copy of your US passport is another option instead of a naturalization certificate.

 

At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400. Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things.  Yet you continue to refuse to provide the information while literally begging them to answer and clarify your questions, and keep suggesting weird odd plans to file for multiple CR1, instead of doing things in a proper manner.  Its as if you are hiding something.

 

"At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400. Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

 

Now that I shared everything that I was asked for, nobody is saying anything.

 

"it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

 

So how should I do things differently, please? Based on the information that I've shared.

[OldUser 6,604]

7 hours ago, us-citizen said:

 

"At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400. Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

 

Now that I shared everything that I was asked for, nobody is saying anything.

 

"it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things."

 

So how should I do things differently, please? Based on the information that I've shared.

Now we can see why USCIS is paying extra attention to your naturalization certificate. During your naturalization process, did you mention divorce to USCIS / CIS? Also, you said earlier the cert should have said single, but you were divorced. Those are different things.

 

Edited September 11 by OldUser

[us-citizen 2]

16 hours ago, OldUser said:

Now we can see why USCIS is paying extra attention to your naturalization certificate. During your naturalization process, did you mention divorce to USCIS / CIS? Also, you said earlier the cert should have said single, but you were divorced. Those are different things.

 

 

I apologize for a delayed response. Sometimes I am just so swamped with work during the day that I cannot even find time to come here, even though I know it is super important for me to listen/understand/follow your advices.

"During your naturalization process, did you mention divorce to USCIS / CIS?"

Of course. 100%. And all the work regarding the naturalization was done by an attorney. A good one.

 

"Also, you said earlier the cert should have said single, but you were divorced. Those are different things"

At the time I was creating the OP I did not know it was such a multiple choice: for most purposes in this country it is either you're married or single. So I thought Single would the status (but "Widowed" is just total bogus: my attorney couldn't have put it on the application). Even if they would've put Single on the CoN instead of "Widowed" it would've been so much better. ...

And also: I want to thank each and every one of you for your attention to this case and thoughtful advices.

 

According to what I got from the advices, I will not be giving up on this K-1 and will continue the struggle till the end. And only then, if my fiance is still not with me, we'll be going towards CR-1. And, in turn, IR-1. I've talked to my fiance, and we're determined to fight for our relationship and this case.
And I understand that the most important thing now is correcting the error on the CoN first and foremost. This was perfectly explained.

Now, with that additional information that I have given (that many people were asking, as to how I got my N400), I hope to hear the advices based on those details: how my circumstances change for this case in that context. So, please tell me.

[OldUser 6,604]

1 hour ago, us-citizen said:

 

I apologize for a delayed response. Sometimes I am just so swamped with work during the day that I cannot even find time to come here, even though I know it is super important for me to listen/understand/follow your advices.

"During your naturalization process, did you mention divorce to USCIS / CIS?"

Of course. 100%. And all the work regarding the naturalization was done by an attorney. A good one.

 

"Also, you said earlier the cert should have said single, but you were divorced. Those are different things"

At the time I was creating the OP I did not know it was such a multiple choice: for most purposes in this country it is either you're married or single. So I thought Single would the status (but "Widowed" is just total bogus: my attorney couldn't have put it on the application). Even if they would've put Single on the CoN instead of "Widowed" it would've been so much better. ...

And also: I want to thank each and every one of you for your attention to this case and thoughtful advices.

 

According to what I got from the advices, I will not be giving up on this K-1 and will continue the struggle till the end. And only then, if my fiance is still not with me, we'll be going towards CR-1. And, in turn, IR-1. I've talked to my fiance, and we're determined to fight for our relationship and this case.
And I understand that the most important thing now is correcting the error on the CoN first and foremost. This was perfectly explained.

Now, with that additional information that I have given (that many people were asking, as to how I got my N400), I hope to hear the advices based on those details: how my circumstances change for this case in that context. So, please tell me.

I'd file FOIA to get all immigration files from USCIS, so there's no guesses on how the questions were answered on N-400. You should get all of this information and know for sure what's in USCIS file on you.

[yuna628 9,671]

16 hours ago, us-citizen said:

 

I apologize for a delayed response. Sometimes I am just so swamped with work during the day that I cannot even find time to come here, even though I know it is super important for me to listen/understand/follow your advices.

"During your naturalization process, did you mention divorce to USCIS / CIS?"

Of course. 100%. And all the work regarding the naturalization was done by an attorney. A good one.

 

"Also, you said earlier the cert should have said single, but you were divorced. Those are different things"

At the time I was creating the OP I did not know it was such a multiple choice: for most purposes in this country it is either you're married or single. So I thought Single would the status (but "Widowed" is just total bogus: my attorney couldn't have put it on the application). Even if they would've put Single on the CoN instead of "Widowed" it would've been so much better. ...

And also: I want to thank each and every one of you for your attention to this case and thoughtful advices.

 

According to what I got from the advices, I will not be giving up on this K-1 and will continue the struggle till the end. And only then, if my fiance is still not with me, we'll be going towards CR-1. And, in turn, IR-1. I've talked to my fiance, and we're determined to fight for our relationship and this case.
And I understand that the most important thing now is correcting the error on the CoN first and foremost. This was perfectly explained.

Now, with that additional information that I have given (that many people were asking, as to how I got my N400), I hope to hear the advices based on those details: how my circumstances change for this case in that context. So, please tell me.

Well it is entirely possible the attorney did at the time hit the wrong button or select the wrong option. Doubtful they would admit this either. It's also possible someone at the USCIS messed it up too. Certainly they would not admit it either.

 

They once changed my husband's gender on his card from M to F. Infuriated him for years. At naturalization he asked about it. Everything in the USCIS system was M and correct, so the officer concluded it was all just a printing error and no consequence other than the hassle and stress it caused him. They stressed the importance of making sure the naturalization certificate was correct before leaving the building. Unfortunately, the ideal scenario was for you to correct it on the day you received it or the next best option to correct it soon after. Your path forward is pretty much the same. FIOA and then correct the record. Then you can proceed with your spouse. The burden is placed on you, because that is how things go.

[us-citizen 2]

On 9/11/2024 at 7:39 PM, OldUser said:

I'd file FOIA to get all immigration files from USCIS, so there's no guesses on how the questions were answered on N-400. You should get all of this information and know for sure what's in USCIS file on you.

 

Yes, absolutely.

[us-citizen 2]

On 9/12/2024 at 10:52 AM, yuna628 said:

Well it is entirely possible the attorney did at the time hit the wrong button or select the wrong option. Doubtful they would admit this either. It's also possible someone at the USCIS messed it up too. Certainly they would not admit it either.

 

They once changed my husband's gender on his card from M to F. Infuriated him for years. At naturalization he asked about it. Everything in the USCIS system was M and correct, so the officer concluded it was all just a printing error and no consequence other than the hassle and stress it caused him. They stressed the importance of making sure the naturalization certificate was correct before leaving the building. Unfortunately, the ideal scenario was for you to correct it on the day you received it or the next best option to correct it soon after. Your path forward is pretty much the same. FIOA and then correct the record. Then you can proceed with your spouse. The burden is placed on you, because that is how things go.

 

"Well it is entirely possible the attorney did at the time hit the wrong button or select the wrong option. Doubtful they would admit this either"

I really doubt that 25+ years ago it was "computerized" and there were "buttons". As far as I recall it was paper all the way through

[us-citizen 2]

On 9/12/2024 at 10:52 AM, yuna628 said:

Well it is entirely possible the attorney did at the time hit the wrong button or select the wrong option. Doubtful they would admit this either. It's also possible someone at the USCIS messed it up too. Certainly they would not admit it either.

 

They once changed my husband's gender on his card from M to F. Infuriated him for years. At naturalization he asked about it. Everything in the USCIS system was M and correct, so the officer concluded it was all just a printing error and no consequence other than the hassle and stress it caused him. They stressed the importance of making sure the naturalization certificate was correct before leaving the building. Unfortunately, the ideal scenario was for you to correct it on the day you received it or the next best option to correct it soon after. Your path forward is pretty much the same. FIOA and then correct the record. Then you can proceed with your spouse. The burden is placed on you, because that is how things go.

 

"It's also possible someone at the USCIS messed it up too. Certainly they would not admit it either"

 

This is much more likely IMHO