Utah Zoom Marriage

[OldUser 6,604]

49 minutes ago, Timona said:

 

It relates to your original problem. 

Agreed 100%.

[OldUser 6,604]

42 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

One thing in this battle against Dead Person nonsense that I think is important:
If they deny our CR-1, can we file for another CR-1 or there is no way and we need to wait for IR-1? 

USCIS may never give your future spouse any sort of immigration visa if they're not happy about your naturalization / documentation.

[yuna628 9,671]

9 hours ago, us-citizen said:

One thing in this battle against Dead Person nonsense that I think is important:
If they deny our CR-1, can we file for another CR-1 or there is no way and we need to wait for IR-1? 

The issue is you need to correct the naturalization record first and then proceed immigration with fiance or spouse. You will be going through piles of money wasted in application denials.

[Boiler 45,443]

You do not file for a CR1 you file an I 130, CR1, IR1 is dependent on how long you have been married, well if they issue a visa.

[us-citizen 2]

10 hours ago, OldUser said:

USCIS may never give your future spouse any sort of immigration visa if they're not happy about your naturalization / documentation.

 

Ok, that explains it. Thanks. 

[us-citizen 2]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

You do not file for a CR1 you file an I 130, CR1, IR1 is dependent on how long you have been married, well if they issue a visa.

 

I know how it works. But my humble question is:

Is it possible to apply for another CR1 once another CR1 was denied? 

(any limit on the number of CR1 filings?)

[mam521 2,056]

4 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

 

I know how it works. But my humble question is:

Is it possible to apply for another CR1 once another CR1 was denied? 

(any limit on the number of CR1 filings?)

Isn't this sort of the definition of insanity?  Why would you file repeatedly?  The answer isn't going to change.  

 

You need to get your naturalization certificate taken care of and from there, worry about your fiance.  

[us-citizen 2]

2 hours ago, mam521 said:

Isn't this sort of the definition of insanity?  Why would you file repeatedly?  The answer isn't going to change.  

 

You need to get your naturalization certificate taken care of and from there, worry about your fiance.  

 

"Isn't this sort of the definition of insanity?  Why would you file repeatedly?  The answer isn't going to change."

 

I am not saying that I would be filing repeatedly without any changes to the case. Of course some situation might change regarding the set of documents I will have for the next filing and then I could file again. That said, please who knows, can you answer? Is it possible to apply for another CR1 once another CR1 was denied?

[Crazy Cat 41,808]

2 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

Is it possible to apply for another CR1 once another CR1 was denied?

Yes.

[OldUser 6,604]

2 hours ago, us-citizen said:

 

"Isn't this sort of the definition of insanity?  Why would you file repeatedly?  The answer isn't going to change."

 

I am not saying that I would be filing repeatedly without any changes to the case. Of course some situation might change regarding the set of documents I will have for the next filing and then I could file again. That said, please who knows, can you answer? Is it possible to apply for another CR1 once another CR1 was denied?

Thank you for clarification.

 

Yes, it's possible.

 

It's best to address any issues first. You see, any prior denial will complicate your future I-130 case. USCIS will naturally spend more time scrutinizing everything / hesitating to approve whenever you have a mark on your immigration file.

 

So the best course of action is to address any issues and then file I-130. There's no point spending money and waiting to get a denial.

 

If it would get miraculously approved without naturalization certifcate flagged again, this same issue may arise when immigrant will file for I-751 or N-400 or even I-90 to replace GC. You'd do a disservice to the immigrant by keeping everything as is and not fixing the issue. This is how legendary messy cases are created that news buzz about. Do what's in your control to prevent it - by correcting your naturalization certificate.

 

 

 

Edited September 9 by OldUser

[SteveInBostonI130 3,432]

19 hours ago, us-citizen said:

 

Please, I do not understand this answer. I just need to know:
If I am here in the US and my fiance is abroad and has never visited the US, is Utah Zoom Wedding possible for us, or Utah online marriage doesn't work if my fiance is abroad and never visited the US?
That is all. Of course our relationship is consummated. And we've met a few times in the past few months.

I do realize that the marriage is not going to fix the issue discussed in that other thread. It is perfectly clear.
But it seems that application will be denied anyway (since there are real problems: they are discussed there). So I am seriously considering just not responding to that RFE and close that petition that way. But instead just to marry ASAP (and for what seems to be possibly years to come) to fight case after case (CR-1, then IR-1) to bring my wife to this country that way. Whatever it takes. The sooner she becomes my wife the better. But keeping that K-1 petition dragging for them just to deny it anyway after months and months (years?) seems to be just a huge waste of time, money, and everything else.
Sooner or later I will be able to bring my wife into this country, if I apply again and again for her as my wife, bug Senator, Congressman and Assemblymen 's offices, call TV and Radio stations telling this truly crazy story and post on social media. As my wife she would come here sooner or later, but for now I just cannot produce that Dead Person the Immigration is asking me for (described in the other thread)   
 

 

 

If pursuing the marriage route, I recommend the following in the specified order:

 

1.  File for your FOIA and other paths/forms to try to clear up the N400 issue.

2.  Use Utah Zoom Wedding to get married.

3.  Travel to your significant other and spend the night together.  This "consummates" the marriage in the eyes of USCIS.  Without this your Utah Zoom Wedding is not recognized as a valid marriage. 

4.  Wait for the outcome of Item 1, above, and then file the I-130.  Or (not recommended) file the I-130 the day after you consummated your marriage.  

5.  Finish the spouse visa process.

6.  Your wife will enter as CR1 or IR1, depending on how long Item 1 and Item 5 take.

 

If you file the I-130 before you visit your wife after the Utah Zoom Wedding, your petition will be denied.  If you file the I-130 before you resolve your N400 issue, your petition may get denied or at the least will be delayed until you satisfy RFEs.

 

Each denial will place a greater burden on subsequent I-130s.  The best "chance" is to get all your evidence together for the first petition.

[W199 331]

Why are you even supplying your naturalization certificate in your K-1 application?  For proof of citizenship a copy of your US passport is another option instead of a naturalization certificate.

 

At least 3 times now, people have asked you how you allegedly got your N400. Very experienced members here have explained it is relevant and important as it could have subtle effects on the what or how to do things.  Yet you continue to refuse to provide the information while literally begging them to answer and clarify your questions, and keep suggesting weird odd plans to file for multiple CR1, instead of doing things in a proper manner.  Its as if you are hiding someting.

 

I'm out ...

[us-citizen 2]

20 hours ago, OldUser said:

USCIS may never give your future spouse any sort of immigration visa if they're not happy about your naturalization

 

Again, thank you for clarifying this! This explains it all. More and more I get the sense that I am dealing with pure evil. And in it for a long haul (possibly years). How can they make people wait 1.5+ years just to respond to your FOIA request? Isn't it just pure evil?

I naively thought that I could expect some human decency and justice, but I guess there's none there...

I also guess I am in the same boat with other mentally tortured people (isn't it just mental abuse at least? to go through this). I meet the requirements, I know my fiance for a very long time, we've met countless times. I dearly love her, she loves me so sweet, but we hit a wall with a Punisher given sadistic powers. This is so absurd. I'm not a criminal, never had a problem with law, I make good living and generally consider myself a good person not doing harm to others. How am I in this Boat of the Unfortunate?

Looks like even if I could produce them that imaginary Dead Person (which I cannot obviously: this is discussed in the original thread this one was split from), next thing they will ask is to bring that Dead Person back to life??

Pure insanity. Torture. Abuse. But made totally legal. And at the same time on the other hand they complain so much about "other people not being perfect". Hypocrisy at its core.

Well, move over humble people, I'm getting my seat on that Torture Boat...
Let's sail !

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

22 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

 

Again, thank you for clarifying this! This explains it all. More and more I get the sense that I am dealing with pure evil. And in it for a long haul (possibly years). How can they make people wait 1.5+ years just to respond to your FOIA request? Isn't it just pure evil?

I naively thought that I could expect some human decency and justice, but I guess there's none there...

I also guess I am in the same boat with other mentally tortured people (isn't it just mental abuse at least? to go through this). I meet the requirements, I know my fiance for a very long time, we've met countless times. I dearly love her, she loves me so sweet, but we hit a wall with a Punisher given sadistic powers. This is so absurd. I'm not a criminal, never had a problem with law, I make good living and generally consider myself a good person not doing harm to others. How am I in this Boat of the Unfortunate?

Looks like even if I could produce them that imaginary Dead Person (which I cannot obviously: this is discussed in the original thread this one was split from), next thing they will ask is to bring that Dead Person back to life??

Pure insanity. Torture. Abuse. But made totally legal. And at the same time on the other hand they complain so much about "other people not being perfect". Hypocrisy at its core.

Well, move over humble people, I'm getting my seat on that Torture Boat...
Let's sail !

 

Agreed. 100%.

Welcome!

[SalishSea 17,801]

58 minutes ago, us-citizen said:

 

Again, thank you for clarifying this! This explains it all. More and more I get the sense that I am dealing with pure evil. And in it for a long haul (possibly years). How can they make people wait 1.5+ years just to respond to your FOIA request? Isn't it just pure evil?

I naively thought that I could expect some human decency and justice, but I guess there's none there...

I also guess I am in the same boat with other mentally tortured people (isn't it just mental abuse at least? to go through this). I meet the requirements, I know my fiance for a very long time, we've met countless times. I dearly love her, she loves me so sweet, but we hit a wall with a Punisher given sadistic powers. This is so absurd. I'm not a criminal, never had a problem with law, I make good living and generally consider myself a good person not doing harm to others. How am I in this Boat of the Unfortunate?

Looks like even if I could produce them that imaginary Dead Person (which I cannot obviously: this is discussed in the original thread this one was split from), next thing they will ask is to bring that Dead Person back to life??

Pure insanity. Torture. Abuse. But made totally legal. And at the same time on the other hand they complain so much about "other people not being perfect". Hypocrisy at its core.

Well, move over humble people, I'm getting my seat on that Torture Boat...
Let's sail !

And while you’re having these tantrums about how victimized you feel, you are not even acknowledging the good advice and solutions you’re getting in this thread.  

Makes people think you just want to whine and be entitled, rather than taking action to fix your situation.