Whites a minority in 10 percent of U.S. counties

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

PS This is a forum where people give their opinion. It is not a scientific panel.

So then why is "background" important?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I guess Sydney's Chinatown was a figment of my imagination

That is actually embracing various cultures. There is a huge difference between a few streets model to celebrate a culture to an entire county.

So when a group of immigrants have signs in another language in Australia it's a celebrations, but if they do this is in the US they are refusing to assimilate?

[Heracles 417]

As I said you expect me to answer your questions - but yet you won't touch the fact that Australia, like the US has significant social problems affecting specific social groups, regardless of government initiatives. I thought that would be obvious enough to anyone that its a universal problem - with a few specific factors being the root cause of those problems. But I guess wrong...

Number_6 I understand what you are saying.

What I am hearing in this forum is that there is no such thing as a racial divide and that people sticking to their own kind is a good thing. What did Steve call it again diversity..

I guess Sydney's Chinatown was a figment of my imagination

That is actually embracing various cultures. There is a huge difference between a few streets model to celebrate a culture to an entire county.

So when a group of immigrants have signs in another language in Australia it's a celebrations, but if they do this is in the US they are refusing to assimilate?

That is a designated area chosen by the people of Sydney or Melbourne.

I do not know of anyone being asked whether county signs should be re-written, at the tax payers expense, in Spanish. Do you?

[Heracles 417]

PS This is a forum where people give their opinion. It is not a scientific panel.

So then why is "background" important?

For the sake of knowing where someone is coming from. People are biased.

For example, there is no point in trying to discuss equality with a neo-nazi or the constitution with an ultra-liberal as we are never going to see eye to eye.. Not saying you are any of those might I add; just an example.

Edited August 9, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I said you expect me to answer your questions - but yet you won't touch the fact that Australia, like the US has significant social problems affecting specific social groups, regardless of government initiatives. I thought that would be obvious enough to anyone that its a universal problem - with a few specific factors being the root cause of those problems. But I guess wrong...

Number_6 I understand what you are saying.

What I am hearing in this forum is that there is no such thing as a racial divide and that people sticking to their own kind is a good thing. What did Steve call it again diversity.

Must have read a different thread to me - as I didn't see that being suggested at all. Moreover, the divide - which certainly does exist, is driven & exacerbated by economics. I really don't think there's any way around that.

And if you understand what I'm saying - why do you refuse to draw parallels with regard to the situation between minorities in the US and Australia?

PS This is a forum where people give their opinion. It is not a scientific panel.

So then why is "background" important?

For the sake of knowing where someone is coming from. People are biased.

For example, there is no point in trying to discuss equality with a neo-nazi or the constitution with an ultra-liberal. Not saying you are any of those might I add; just an example.

But... those aren't backgrounds. They are positions.

I think most people would see background as - referring to occupation and education.

[Jenn! 918]

drivel drivel drivel

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I do not know of anyone being asked whether county signs should be re-written, at the tax payers expense, in Spanish. Do you?

I do see australia translates its immigration forms in multiple languages at taxpayer expense, I presume

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/applicatio...uages_alpha.htm

I live in Los Angeles county and I see no county signs in Spanish

[Heracles 417]

As I said you expect me to answer your questions - but yet you won't touch the fact that Australia, like the US has significant social problems affecting specific social groups, regardless of government initiatives. I thought that would be obvious enough to anyone that its a universal problem - with a few specific factors being the root cause of those problems. But I guess wrong...

Number_6 I understand what you are saying.

What I am hearing in this forum is that there is no such thing as a racial divide and that people sticking to their own kind is a good thing. What did Steve call it again diversity.

Must have read a different thread to me - as I didn't see that being suggested at all. Moreover, the divide - which certainly does exist, is driven & exacerbated by economics. I really don't think there's any way around that.

And if you understand what I'm saying - why do you refuse to draw parallels with regard to the situation between minorities in the US and Australia?

This is where we disagree. While I acknowledge economics is a factor I think there is a growing cultural difference in certain areas. I regularly travel to farming areas where black and white people get along like a house on fire. Whereas I stopped in a McDonalds in NW Washington DC not to long ago and people looked at me like what the ###### are you doing here whitey..

PS This is a forum where people give their opinion. It is not a scientific panel.

So then why is "background" important?

For the sake of knowing where someone is coming from. People are biased.

For example, there is no point in trying to discuss equality with a neo-nazi or the constitution with an ultra-liberal. Not saying you are any of those might I add; just an example.

But... those aren't backgrounds. They are positions.

I think most people would see background as - referring to occupation and education.

Okay positions. I mixed them up.

I am not one to judge someone on their education as I know a few people with PhDs, yet hey have little to no common sense.

[Marilyn. 340]

I do not know of anyone being asked whether county signs should be re-written, at the tax payers expense, in Spanish. Do you?

I do see australia translates its immigration forms in multiple languages at taxpayer expense, I presume

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/applicatio...uages_alpha.htm

I live in Los Angeles county and I see no county signs in Spanish

only place I really see Spanish signs is in the Spanish food markets etc......

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This is where we disagree. While I acknowledge economics is a factor I think there is a growing cultural difference in certain areas. I regularly travel to farming areas where black and white people get along like a house on fire. Whereas I stopped in a McDonalds in NW Washington DC not to long ago and people looked at me like what the ###### are you doing here whitey..

I believe the point was also made that this also has something to do with economic disparities. "Culture" is informed by socio-economic background.

[Heracles 417]

I do not know of anyone being asked whether county signs should be re-written, at the tax payers expense, in Spanish. Do you?

I do see australia translates its immigration forms in multiple languages at taxpayer expense, I presume

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/applicatio...uages_alpha.htm

I live in Los Angeles county and I see no county signs in Spanish

I am starting to doubt you ever lived in Sydney as you said you did. Yes Australia translates stuff into 'various' languages. I never said they didn't. The government call centers also have people who speak various languages.

New citizens to Australia are now required to learn English; Which the government provides free of charge. I have seen numerous post is VJ where people have stated that they deal with certain immigrants, in the US, who refuse to learn English.

Edited August 9, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Heracles 417]

I live in Los Angeles county and I see no county signs in Spanish

only place I really see Spanish signs is in the Spanish food markets etc......

I was driving by a public Elementary school the other day and noticed all of it's signs had been converted into Spanish.

I find it funny how you guys have never seen any Spanish sign in LA considering most of the illegal immigrants are living in CA..

drivel drivel drivel

Yes, do you need a napkin??

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I am starting to doubt you ever lived in Sydney as you said you did. Yes Australia translates stuff into 'various' languages. I never said they didn't. The government call centers also have people who speak various languages.

New citizens to Australia are now required to learn English; Which the government provides free of charge. I have seen many post is VJ where people have stated that they deal with certain immigrants, in the US, who refuse to learn English.

Who uses these language services then? People who speak fluent English?

I never said I lived in Syndey - just spent a lot of time there.

[mawilson 2,133]

TOP 14 most dangerous cities in the US.

1. Camden, NJ - The racial makeup of the city was 16.84% White, 53.35% Black or African American

2. Detroit, MI - The racial makeup of the city was 81.55% African American, 12.26% of residents are White

3. Atlanta, GA - The racial makeup of the city is 61.39% Black, 33.22% White, 1.93% Asian

4. St. Louis, MO - The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White

5. Gary, IN - The racial makeup of the city was 84.03% African American, 11.92% White

6. Washington, DC - The racial makeup of the city was 58.04% African American, 39.02% White

7. Hartford, CT - The racial makeup of the city was 17.72% White, 38.05% Black

8. New Orleans, LA - The racial makeup of the city was 67.25% African American, 28.05% White

9. Richmond, VA - The racial makeup of the city was 38.30% White, 57.19% African American

10. Birmingham, AL - The racial makeup of the city was 73.46% Black or African American, 24.07% White

11. Baltimore, MD - The racial makeup of the city was 64.34% Black or African American, 31.63% White

12. Richmond, CA - The racial makeup of the city was 21.36% white, 36.06% black or African American

13. Memphis, TN - The racial makeup of the city was 61.41% African American, 34.41% White

14. Jackson, MS - The racial makeup of the city was 27.79% White or Caucasian, 70.64% Black or African American

What do you correlate out of this?

I don't think this list proves anything -- having a sizable African American population is not a

sufficient condition for crime and violence. How many African American cities didn't make the list?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

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I find it funny how you guys have never seen any Spanish sign in LA considering most of the illegal immigrants are living in CA..

Not a government sign no - stores and restaurants yes. Oh and NEWS FLASH, not all the minorities in LA are latino or black

I like living in a city with lots of immigrants - lots of good food to eat