Whites a minority in 10 percent of U.S. counties

[Heracles 417]

Irrespective of the dribble some have posted, what I got out of the article is the growing segregation amongst various sub-cultures / races in the US.

The other points I raised where sub-topics related to the article such as:

• A most likely increase in crime and unemployment within those counties.
  
• Inability of certain people, in those, counties to speak English, which will only harm themselves.
  
• The fact that someone who numbers in the millions is still called a minority.
  
• As well as the fact that as long as there is measures such as "Affirmative Action" applies for one race only, while nothing for others, people cannot be equal.
  

There are not even 500,000 Australians here. Am I a minority?

Edited August 9, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Irrespective of the dribble some have posted, what I got out of the article is the growing segregation amongst various sub-cultures / races in the US.

The other points I raised where sub-topics related to the article such as:

• A most likely increase in crime and unemployment within those counties.
  
• Inability of certain people, in those, counties to speak English, which will only harm themselves.
  
• The fact that someone who numbers in the millions is still called a minority.
  
• As well as the fact that as long as there is measures such as "Affirmative Action" applies for one race only, while nothing for others, people cannot be equal.
  

There are not even 500,000 Australians here. Am I a minority?

You're assuming that cultural norms are static - that they never evolve or change. Much of today's 'American' culture is a derivative of other's cultural influences. Even in isolated societies, culture evolves.

Edited August 9, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[Heracles 417]

You're assuming that cultural norms are static - that they never evolve or change. Much of today's 'American' culture is a derivative of other's cultural influences. Even in isolated societies, culture evolves.

I understand that but a situation can develop where groups of people become isolated and then get angry towards everyone else; due to their isolation and lack of economic progression. Remember the riots in France.

The nations with the highest living standards usually have a broad range of measures to integrate people with one another.

Edited August 9, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Irrespective of the dribble some have posted, what I got out of the article is the growing segregation amongst various sub-cultures / races in the US.

The other points I raised where sub-topics related to the article such as:

• A most likely increase in crime and unemployment within those counties.
  
• Inability of certain people, in those, counties to speak English, which will only harm themselves.
  
• The fact that someone who numbers in the millions is still called a minority.
  
• As well as the fact that as long as there is measures such as "Affirmative Action" applies for one race only, while nothing for others, people cannot be equal.
  

1 - is an unqualified generalisation - no reference to crime in that article. At all.

2 - is also a generalisation, which can only be loosely tied to that article - based on an arbitrary quote which attempts to tie this new demographic diversity to illegal immigration. In that respect - the article is itself is rather general.

3 - is completely wrong. The 100,000,000 total that was quoted includes all non-white ethnicities. Even so 100,000,000 out of 300,000,000 would indeed be a minority. Regional variations excepted of course.

4 - contradicts your earlier position in the other thread, where (unless I'm much mistaken - you said something along the lines of: that you support social programmes to reduce economic disparities).

There are not even 500,000 Australians here. Am I a minority?

Well that really depends on whether or not you class yourself purely according to ethnicity or by nationality. Moreover - how are you classifying the minorities described in the article - by ethnic group or nationality?

You're assuming that cultural norms are static - that they never evolve or change. Much of today's 'American' culture is a derivative of other's cultural influences. Even in isolated societies, culture evolves.

I understand that but a situation can develop where groups of people become isolated and then get angry towards everyone else; due to their isolation and lack of economic progression. Remember the riots in France.

The nations with the highest living standards usually have a broad range of measures to integrate people with one another.

Example?

Edited August 9, 2007 by Number 6

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I guess Sydney's Chinatown was a figment of my imagination

[mybackpages 0]

didn't John Travolta do a movie where where the African Americans were members of the social elite, and whites were inhabitants of the inner city ghettos....

It was called White Man's Burden....

i never saw the movie so I don't know if it was good or not

Yes, with Harry Belafonte...a good movie to put on your queue with Netflix!

Does John Travolta dance in it? I only like his movies when he dances

[Heracles 417]

Number_6, what I would like to know is what your background is in? I ask you questions which you never answer. I provide you statistics which you tip toe around them like some politician.

Here is a start.

TOP 14 most dangerous cities in the US.

1. Camden, NJ - The racial makeup of the city was 16.84% White, 53.35% Black or African American

2. Detroit, MI - The racial makeup of the city was 81.55% African American, 12.26% of residents are White

3. Atlanta, GA - The racial makeup of the city is 61.39% Black, 33.22% White, 1.93% Asian

4. St. Louis, MO - The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White

5. Gary, IN - The racial makeup of the city was 84.03% African American, 11.92% White

6. Washington, DC - The racial makeup of the city was 58.04% African American, 39.02% White

7. Hartford, CT - The racial makeup of the city was 17.72% White, 38.05% Black

8. New Orleans, LA - The racial makeup of the city was 67.25% African American, 28.05% White

9. Richmond, VA - The racial makeup of the city was 38.30% White, 57.19% African American

10. Birmingham, AL - The racial makeup of the city was 73.46% Black or African American, 24.07% White

11. Baltimore, MD - The racial makeup of the city was 64.34% Black or African American, 31.63% White

12. Richmond, CA - The racial makeup of the city was 21.36% white, 36.06% black or African American

13. Memphis, TN - The racial makeup of the city was 61.41% African American, 34.41% White

14. Jackson, MS - The racial makeup of the city was 27.79% White or Caucasian, 70.64% Black or African American

What do you correlate out of this?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And what is it about those countries "with the highest living standards" having a "broad range of measures to integrate people with one another". yet another thinly veiled reference to Australia.

Need I point out again - the aborigines. Lots of initiatives, and yet those people are still disenfranchised, and still experience significant social problems. Bit of selective criticism going on here.

[Heracles 417]

I guess Sydney's Chinatown was a figment of my imagination

That is actually embracing various cultures. There is a huge difference between a few streets model to celebrate a culture to an entire county.

[Jenn! 918]

What do you correlate out of this?

You must be kidding me. Hasn't he explained about a gazillion times about the correlation between povery and crime?

[Heracles 417]

And what is it about those countries "with the highest living standards" having a "broad range of measures to integrate people with one another". yet another thinly veiled reference to Australia.

Need I point out again - the aborigines. Lots of initiatives, and yet those people are still disenfranchised, and still experience significant social problems. Bit of selective criticism going on here.

What about everyone else in that country? What is the number one destination for UK migrants? Was your visa application rejected or something..

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're assuming that cultural norms are static - that they never evolve or change. Much of today's 'American' culture is a derivative of other's cultural influences. Even in isolated societies, culture evolves.

I understand that but a situation can develop where groups of people become isolated and then get angry towards everyone else; due to their isolation and lack of economic progression. Remember the riots in France.

The nations with the highest living standards usually have a broad range of measures to integrate people with one another.

(see the text in red? that's when you take these threads on wild tangents...please stop)

(see the text in blue? that's where you make an assumption but then pass it off as fact...please stop)

Integration and assimilation are two different concepts. Integration is 'E pluribus Unum' (sp) ...In many we are one. Strength in diversity. I'm all for integration and historically, migrants tend to integrate when they are accepted by society.

Assimilation would be where everyone would dump their cultural identities and fuse with whatever is the standard 'American' culture. When you don't accept people's cultural differences or allow them to be different, you put them on the defensive and they're less likely to want to integrate into society.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Number_6, what I would like to know is what your background is in? I ask you questions which you never answer. I provide you statistics which you tip toe around them like some politician.

Here is a start.

TOP 14 most dangerous cities in the US.

1. Camden, NJ - The racial makeup of the city was 16.84% White, 53.35% Black or African American

2. Detroit, MI - The racial makeup of the city was 81.55% African American, 12.26% of residents are White

3. Atlanta, GA - The racial makeup of the city is 61.39% Black, 33.22% White, 1.93% Asian

4. St. Louis, MO - The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White

5. Gary, IN - The racial makeup of the city was 84.03% African American, 11.92% White

6. Washington, DC - The racial makeup of the city was 58.04% African American, 39.02% White

7. Hartford, CT - The racial makeup of the city was 17.72% White, 38.05% Black

8. New Orleans, LA - The racial makeup of the city was 67.25% African American, 28.05% White

9. Richmond, VA - The racial makeup of the city was 38.30% White, 57.19% African American

10. Birmingham, AL - The racial makeup of the city was 73.46% Black or African American, 24.07% White

11. Baltimore, MD - The racial makeup of the city was 64.34% Black or African American, 31.63% White

12. Richmond, CA - The racial makeup of the city was 21.36% white, 36.06% black or African American

13. Memphis, TN - The racial makeup of the city was 61.41% African American, 34.41% White

14. Jackson, MS - The racial makeup of the city was 27.79% White or Caucasian, 70.64% Black or African American

What do you correlate out of this?

That the most dangerous areas are almost exclusively densely populated urban areas. Something that was pointed out in the other thread.

As to my background - why is that so important to you? I don't wear it as a badge on my chest to justify making blunt assumptions. Assumptions that have drawn the ire of everyone who has replied in this thread. Perhaps we should be asking what your background is - to be making these kinds of statements...?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And what is it about those countries "with the highest living standards" having a "broad range of measures to integrate people with one another". yet another thinly veiled reference to Australia.

Need I point out again - the aborigines. Lots of initiatives, and yet those people are still disenfranchised, and still experience significant social problems. Bit of selective criticism going on here.

What about everyone else in that country? What is the number one destination for UK migrants? Was your visa application rejected or something..

As I said you expect me to answer your questions - but yet you won't touch the fact that Australia, like the US has significant social problems affecting specific social groups, regardless of government initiatives. I thought that would be obvious enough to anyone that its a universal problem - with a few specific factors being the root cause of those problems. But I guess wrong...

[Heracles 417]

(see the text in red? that's when you take these threads on wild tangents...please stop)

(see the text in blue? that's where you make an assumption but then pass it off as fact...please stop)

Ah yes the usual Steve dribble. Just like in the other thread you started where you made a nice generalization but have an issue with anyone forming an opinion which is contrary to your little beliefs.

PS This is a forum where people give their opinion. It is not a scientific panel.