Whites a minority in 10 percent of U.S. counties

[Caladan 19]

LIKE COST OF LIVING.

[Heracles 417]

Dangerous cities in what context?

The annual FBI analysis? Nope. Infragard? Nope. DHS? Nope.

From where, are you drawing your data?

Your data is absolutely wrong.

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm

Morgan Quitno Press is an independent private research and publishing company located in Lawrence, Kansas. Founded by Scott Morgan, Kathleen O'Leary Morgan and Neal Quitno (pronounced Quit No) in 1989, the company specializes in reference books that compare states and cities in several different subject areas. The corporation is not a subsidiary of any other company nor is it subsidized by any outside interest group. Its books are found in reference libraries throughout the United States and around the world.

[Heracles 417]

Moreover - looking at general data at that sort of high level is really only the tip of the iceberg. Essentially if you look at it that way - the implicit assumption being made is that there are no regional differences between any of those cities.

Lets look at it another way. Are America's safest cities also the richest or highest earning cities?? Going by your theory they should be if poverty is related to crime. Therefore wealth should be related to being safe..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmmm....

A Word About Crime Rankings

Morgan Quitno’s annual rankings of crime in states, metro areas and cities are considered by some in the law enforcement community as controversial.

The FBI, police and many criminologists caution against rankings according to crime rates. They correctly point out that crime levels are affected by many different factors, such as population density, composition of the population (particularly the concentration of youth), climate, economic conditions, strength of local law enforcement agencies, citizen’s attitudes toward crime, cultural factors, education levels, crime reporting practices of citizens and family cohesiveness. Accordingly, crime rankings often are deemed “simplistic” or “incomplete.” However, this criticism is largely based on the fact that there are reasons for the differences in crime rates, not that the rates are incompatible. This would be somewhat akin to deciding not to compare athletes on their speed in the 100-yard dash because of physical or training differences. Such differences help explain the different speeds but do not invalidate the comparisons.

To be sure, crime-ranking information must be considered carefully. However the rankings tell not only an interesting, but also very important story regarding the incidence of crime in the United States. Furthermore, annual rankings not only allow for comparisons among different states and cities, but also enable leaders to track their communities’ crime trends from one year to the next.

We certainly do not want to be irresponsible in our presentation of state and city crime data. Our publications help concerned Americans learn how their communities fare in the fight against crime. The first step in making our cities and states safer is to understand the true magnitude of their crime problems. This will only be achieved through straightforward data that all of us can use and understand.

US Census data for 2006 shows that Camden, NJ has the lowest median household income...

[Caladan 19]

It is, generally.... I don't know if you're a homeowner, but this isn't really rocket science... wealthier areas (relative wealth, mind you) are generally very safe, full of picket fences, good schools, well-kept communities... and they tend to be safer. You moved to the suburbs for a reason, I expect.

It probably helps to break it down by neighborhood rather than by city, since cities vary a lot internally, especially if they're big.

[William33 110]

Dangerous cities in what context?

The annual FBI analysis? Nope. Infragard? Nope. DHS? Nope.

From where, are you drawing your data?

Your data is absolutely wrong.

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm

Morgan Quitno Press is an independent private research and publishing company located in Lawrence, Kansas. Founded by Scott Morgan, Kathleen O'Leary Morgan and Neal Quitno (pronounced Quit No) in 1989, the company specializes in reference books that compare states and cities in several different subject areas. The corporation is not a subsidiary of any other company nor is it subsidized by any outside interest group. Its books are found in reference libraries throughout the United States and around the world.

My point exactly, they don't have access to the statistical data such as Infragard.

In this instance, a security clearance is required for the law enforcement sensitive data and so forth. I read this source material every day in my job and find quite different results.

Don't be mislead by internet sources that have zero value

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Moreover - looking at general data at that sort of high level is really only the tip of the iceberg. Essentially if you look at it that way - the implicit assumption being made is that there are no regional differences between any of those cities.

Lets look at it another way. Are America's safest cities also the richest or highest earning cities?? Going by your theory they should be if poverty is related to crime. Therefore wealth should be related to being safe..

Easy. Spend a day in Beverly Hills (city with the highest police presence in the country), then do likewise in Compton, Inglewood or Watts (prime gang territory). Also tell me how many Lexus' or Inifinitis you see in the ghetto.

It is, generally.... I don't know if you're a homeowner, but this isn't really rocket science... wealthier areas (relative wealth, mind you) are generally very safe, full of picket fences, good schools, well-kept communities... and they tend to be safer. You moved to the suburbs for a reason, I expect.

It probably helps to break it down by neighborhood rather than by city, since cities vary a lot internally, especially if they're big.

Like Los Angeles.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Number 6

[Nikita2Charles 32]

None of these facts matter much, the important factor people have to look at is Family values. Yes lot of those kids in the poor community grow up with single mom, less fortunate than Ivy league folks I would say, but for all of them, all of us it's HOME, and there's no Place like home. I grew up in Brooklyn CONEY ISLAND, Marlboro Project, Then later on move to Grenadier, right accross Gravesend housing accross, Not once I ever felt scare coming from school, in high school i took the subway to work and at time get back at 1am, i never got robbed, got mugged, got shot at, I feel a lot of people are watching too many movies portraying the violence in the project but lot of kids go on to make it big in real life.

The William Sisters (VENUS AND SERENA) Came from Camdon, one of the toughest Area of southern California, right now they are one of the 2 best women tennis player who ever play the game. At 1st people was saying they don't belong there, it's a white people sport, but with the determination and the value system they got by their DAD RICHARD, they are what they are today, Millionaires.

Yes, we came from the project but we are not drug dealers, on welfare, and all those negatives stuff associate with the project.

For folks whose trying to make it in life, that's the best affordable housing you can get and you make the best of it.

I am in the sillicon Valley right now, most of the houses out here are over half a million, If i had to life my life again, would I want to be in the suburb or whatever people call it, where the white folks live, where the assumption is everything is safe there. There are the same Crime happening in the suburb but the MONEY PEOPLE are able to have proper legal representation so they don't end up in jail like others who didn't grow up in money and can't afford proper legal advice.

If i had to live my life again growing up I would say Heck Yeah take me back to those goold old days in CONEY ISLAND

Edited August 10, 2007 by Nikita2Charles

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We made 17 pages...

[Heracles 417]

Hmmm....

US Census data for 2006 shows that Camden, NJ has the lowest median household income...

Yes there is a link. A factor BUT it is not the sole reason for crime.

Why people commit crimes

Farringtons claim (social psychological researcher) as to why people commit crimes looks at problem families.

1st claim: criminal offenders have a syndrome, a collection of anti social dispositions.

2nd claim: early signs of criminal offending predicts a long and potentially serious criminal career. Eg. Badly behaved infant ® bullying ® shoplifting ® assault ® robbery ® child abuse ® alcohol abuse, unemployment.

early anti social behaviour = underlying criminal behaviour

Studies by Farrington found a strong correlation (relationship) between criminals & certain family experiences

· Criminals exhibit socially unacceptable behaviour from a young age within their families.

· Criminals may also possess a range of cognitive defects eg. Poor reasoning abilities.

· Criminals tend to have a troubled family life, eg. Alcohol/drug abuse, violence within the family, experience poor parenting, failed education, unemployment, social problems.

criminal careers originate in specific types of:

personality

families

socialization process

SUMMARY

a ) Criminal careers stem from anti-personality syndrome

b ) The syndrome is transmitted by problem families who exhibit poor parenting

c ) Poor parenting is passed from one generation to the next.

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Just had to give my 2 cents, it's just that people who have no clues, or have never been to a place but listening to the Media statistic passing Judgement on people, they don't even know, and they don't even know the circumstance how those people end up there, They should start 1st by learning the history of this country, starting with Slavery and segration, then they would know how lot of those folks ancestors made their money on the back of those people they are criticizing.

Correction

Williams sisters, COMPTON Southern California(Bad spelling)

Edited August 10, 2007 by Nikita2Charles

[Ban Hammer 13,625]

We made 17 pages...

and it's been like watching a cat chase its tail on every page.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yes there is a link. A factor BUT it is not the sole reason for crime.

Yet according to you its not even a significant one. Which is surprising considering the alleged background in economics.

[Caladan 19]

We made 17 pages...

Hehe.

New York's neighborhood's vary a lot, too. But I think we should be careful in accepting any analysis that says 'wealthy areas have crime so poverty isn't a factor!', because where wealth is made (Wall Street) isn't necessarily where the wealth is kept (uh, most of western Connecticut.)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We made 17 pages...

Hehe.

New York's neighborhood's vary a lot, too. But I think we should be careful in accepting any analysis that says 'wealthy areas have crime so poverty isn't a factor!', because where wealth is made (Wall Street) isn't necessarily where the wealth is kept (uh, most of western Connecticut.)

Different types of crime too. The 'gang-banging' 'hippity-hop' type of crime that Boo-Yah keeps talking about takes place almost exclusively in low-income, inner city areas. Hence the marked differences between cities in LA County.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Number 6