Clarification on Family visa

[Dashinka 24,660]

37 minutes ago, Ay_zero said:

I and my spouse are the biological parents, but I had her before I became a citizen. Can I still do that, regardless?

No, you would have had to be a USC at the time of birth.  Stay the course on the I130, but I believe after your daughter gets her visa and enters the US, she will become a USC automatically.

 

Good Luck!

 

 

Edited August 5 by Dashinka

[Ay_zero 2]

I thought as much. Thanks so much

[pushbrk 13,011]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

No, you would have had to be a USC at the time of birth.  Stay the course on the I130, but I believe after your daughter gets her visa and enters the US, she will become a USC automatically.

 

Good Luck!

 

 

Correct.  Wife get's green card after arrival, but daughter applies for US Passport after arriving.

[mam521 2,113]

12 minutes ago, pushbrk said:

Correct.  Wife get's green card after arrival, but daughter applies for US Passport after arriving.

Do they still need to file the N-600 after arrival? Assuming yes. 

[Dashinka 24,660]

3 minutes ago, mam521 said:

Do they still need to file the N-600 after arrival? Assuming yes. 

Technically they don’t need to, but it is recommended.  Mike E used to have a nice list of why they should, the only thing I can remember is that some government jobs require it.

[mam521 2,113]

2 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Technically they don’t need to, but it is recommended.  Mike E used to have a nice list of why they should, the only thing I can remember is that some government jobs require it.

DoS and USCIS are technically different entities.  A passport recognizes citizenship with DoS, but does NOT with USCIS and the later are ultimately the determiners of status. The N-600 "officially" recognizes the beneficiary as a US Citizen in the eyes of USCIS.  

 

I just went through it all with my kids, but we all had greencards first.  The biggest kick in the teeth is the cost.  Naturalizing is cheaper!  And if the kids are over 14, they still have to attend a naturalization ceremony to pledge the oath.  

[Dashinka 24,660]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Technically they don’t need to, but it is recommended.  Mike E used to have a nice list of why they should, the only thing I can remember is that some government jobs require it.

I found the list.

 

 

[pushbrk 13,011]

35 minutes ago, mam521 said:

Do they still need to file the N-600 after arrival? Assuming yes. 

Opinions vary on that, but my answer is no.  It is not a requirement.  It's an option. Exercising that option is a belt and suspenders approach, in my opinion.  As for USCIS not recognizing a US Passport as evidence of US Citizenship, one need only look at the list of applicable evidence in the I-130 instructions, where the passport is listed as an option.

Edited August 5 by pushbrk

[pushbrk 13,011]

27 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I found the list.

 

 

The list of advantages is mostly valid, but there is also speculation posted.  It's still "optional" and can be filed for later, if necessary.

[OldUser 7,037]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I found the list.

 

 

My $0.02 on N-600:

 

It is optional, but highly recommended. Just search VJ, Reddit and the internet. You'll find a lot of good examples of people struggling to prove they are US citizens and thus having issues with passport renewal or getting other benefits.

 

Here's recent example of somebody trying to get US passport for 7 (or 8?) years:

 

 

Not sure how proactive they were, but if they had N-600 on their hand I can bet money the process would have been smooth and simple.

 

Edited August 5 by OldUser

[pushbrk 13,011]

39 minutes ago, OldUser said:

My $0.02 on N-600:

 

It is optional, but highly recommended. Just search VJ, Reddit and the internet. You'll find a lot of good examples of people struggling to prove they are US citizens and thus having issues with passport renewal or getting other benefits.

 

Here's recent example of somebody trying to get US passport for 7 (or 8?) years:

 

 

Not sure how proactive they were, but if they had N-600 on their hand I can bet money the process would have been smooth and simple.

 

A lot of these problems are caused by providing inadequate documentation with the passport application.  It is most often successful without a Certificate of Citizenship, if you know what to provide instead and actually provide it.  When you don't provide adequate evidence, then certainly the certificate of Citizenship will do the trick.  To get it, you'll need to provide the same evidence left out of the passport application to begin with,  You won't see a list of topics about how easy it was to successfully apply for a US passport without ever filing an N-600.  It happens here in the Philippines very often.

If the person, ever needs the certificate of citizenship for one of the valid reasons listed, they can file for it any time.

[OldUser 7,037]

4 hours ago, pushbrk said:

A lot of these problems are caused by providing inadequate documentation with the passport application.  It is most often successful without a Certificate of Citizenship, if you know what to provide instead and actually provide it.  When you don't provide adequate evidence, then certainly the certificate of Citizenship will do the trick.  To get it, you'll need to provide the same evidence left out of the passport application to begin with,  You won't see a list of topics about how easy it was to successfully apply for a US passport without ever filing an N-600.  It happens here in the Philippines very often.

If the person, ever needs the certificate of citizenship for one of the valid reasons listed, they can file for it any time.

With years passing by it gets harder and harder to provide adequate documentation as it gets lost, parents pass away, chasing school archives becomes a bigger hassle etc. I'm sure people get N-600 done decades after but it would probably require way more effort (and more expensive in the future as fees don't go down). The best time to get N-600 is as the kid becomes the citizen. Then you only need to care about keeping one paper safe vs stack of papers.

 

Edited August 6 by OldUser

[Ay_zero 2]

Thank you all for your help. For clarification purposes, I will have to file only N600 (Naturalization) for my daughter and then file for a green card for my wife as soon as they immigrate to the US.

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

8 minutes ago, Ay_zero said:

and then file for a green card for my wife as soon as they immigrate to the US.

No.  Your spouse will automatically become a legal resident (Green Card Holder) as soon as she enters the US via her spousal visa....once her visa is stamped at POE.  A plastic Green Card will be mailed to her once she is inside the US (and you have paid the immigrant fee).  No need to "file for a Green Card".

Edited August 6 by Crazy Cat

[pushbrk 13,011]

1 hour ago, Ay_zero said:

Thank you all for your help. For clarification purposes, I will have to file only N600 (Naturalization) for my daughter and then file for a green card for my wife as soon as they immigrate to the US.

N-600 is not "Naturalization".  That's the N-400 that is not needed.  Your child will obtain US Citizenship through you, his "parent".  The N-600 results in a Certificate of Citizenship, which would only ever be needed is specific circumstances that may never occur.  It's a choice.  I seldom wear a belt, much less belt AND suspenders.  To each their own.  Choose based on YOUR priorities.