Hillary Hedging Her Bet on Iraq?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I forget ;-)

Though I'm leaning toward one of these two:

Or

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Anyone who is smart would realize that cutting and running now could be a really bad idea. A Democrat could probably manage to stay in Iraq, if the security situation demands it.

Getting out of Iraq would help the GOP politically more than anything. There is too much resentment against the Republican party for both getting us into the mess and the poor handling of it. Without a withdrawal before the election, there is little to no chance a GOP candidate would be elected President.

I disagree. I don't think its that simple - I think any presidential candidate (especially the Republican ones) would have to distance themselves from Bush - but as far as Iraq goes, if a pullout results in that country collapsing into a civil war the person behind that decision would end up taking the heat for it IMO. As I see it - its actually better politically for them to maintain a status quo, that way the onus is still on Bush/Cheney, rather than them being held responsible for a massive, sudden deterioration.

How many people think that far ahead? Most people vote with a very simple view of the issues. If the war is still going, and not much as changed, it will be very difficult for the GOP in 2008.

It will be - but much worse if a troop pull out results in a civil war. Then the whole thing would have been basically pointless - who wants to be on the receiving end of "you betrayed the troops" and "those kids died for nothing"?

So really, damned if you do, damned if you don't. But if you do it at the right time, like after winning an election. Its likely people will have forgot and moved on by the time the next election comes around.

They would have to do it after the election - I don't see how there's any choice. People have short memories - while Bush may have started the whole mess, they will certainly remember the person who causes it to go completely tits up. The Reps won't do it now because if the situation deteriorates (and there's every reason to suppose that it would) they would have to take the flak not only for that - but for starting it in the first place. As I see it - the Democrats have an advantage on this issue. That said - if the Democrats got a candidate into the White House, ordered a troop pull out - country collapses into civil war and then sometime in the intervening years there's another large-scale terrorist attack on US interest - that administration probably would lose its second term.

Of course its all very dodgy - because essentially we're stringing out the military presence and risking people's lives simply to protect people's political reputations.

"Bush started the mess" Osama started the mess! You have been hypnotized. The shite started way before Bush.

Osama, 9/11 and Iraq are poles apart. Bush, as the duly elected leader of this country is responsible for Iraq. Iraq is what I was talking about. Not Osama Bin Laden, and not 9/11.

You and Bush have alot in common and you dont even see it. He is steadfast in what he is doing just as you are steadfast in what you believe. Only his job is a thousand times more complicated. Think about it for just a second! Finding fault is a path for the weak. Following this path to the end leads where? I think his strength makes for a little envy in you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Edited August 9, 2007 by Number 6

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

[Dan J 277]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

You may not realize it, but you just proved what Number 6 said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

And I thought posting 'on-topic' was kind of the point... As I said - the thrust of my argument was about the politics of the next election, not Bush. Bush is out in 2008 - how's about some forward thinking?

Anyway:

1) What corner am I in?

2) What "well made" points have you made in this thread?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

You may not realize it, but you just proved what Number 6 said.

D&G, Your depth amazes me.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

You may not realize it, but you just proved what Number 6 said.

D&G, Your depth amazes me.

And again. Care to make it 3 in a row?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I forget ;-)

Though I'm leaning toward one of these two:

Or

Its getting clearer all the time. Or maybe you just made it for me! Hatred drives ones obsession.

Edited August 9, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well I think....

PWNED!

P.S. - that last edit was the clincher

Edited August 9, 2007 by Number 6

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You know what I notice Marc?

1) You rarely if ever post on topic.

2) You prefer instead to attack the poster, rather than address the substance of the post - or indeed lack thereof.

3) You like to call people out for being overemotional - but given (1) and (2) above - plus your penchant for excessive exclamation marks, capitalized words and emotionally loaded phrases - I think that shoe is very much on the other foot.

BTW - All of these things tell me something about you

Take a deep breath.

As far as this topic goes - I was actually talking about what will happen with regards to Iraq as it pertains to the next presidential election. But by all means ignore that and focus on the least relevant details. I guess just seeing the word "Bush" in a post is like a red rag to a bull to you. Perhaps you might care to read a little further and actually comment on the (on-topic) points that were actually made?

Ive noticed something about you. When you get put in a corner your reliance on the "Topic" comes into play. Keep diggin deeper, one day you will hit some rock. The rock in this case signifies reality, and maybe, just maybe you'll come around.

Your perception of an attack is your interpretation. I admit my puncuation is poor.(pointing to this is a dodge) My points are well made and you know it. My ability to see what your made of is clear.

Bush is an evil man? He loves seeing our guys getting killed? My god man! look where your going.

You may not realize it, but you just proved what Number 6 said.

Well I think....

PWNED!

P.S. - that last edit was the clincher

Little boys with big pictures, crumpets anyone?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dig that hole deeper!

[Mirorgate 0]

And then there was that... wait.. what was the topic again..?? :blink:

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And then there was that... wait.. what was the topic again..?? :blink:

Bigfoot killed it after post 5.

[Mirorgate 0]

And then there was that... wait.. what was the topic again..?? :blink:

Bigfoot killed it after post 5.

Damn sasquatch! someone needs to shoot that thing.