'Why do you own a gun?'

[almaty 19]

i have had a client pull a gun on me..and then take out bullets..one by one and tell me who they were for.,.the last one was for me..he was drunk and i was able to talk to him and convince him that a body count was not in his best interst, or mine....also, had a client who last his SSI, and blame me, come to my office and tell me he was there to cut my throat, again tlak to him and calm him down..if i had a gun..one of us would be dead...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Personally I don’t think ‘packing a piece’ necessarily makes a person able to defend themselves.......

By " a person" do NOT include me in that generalization! Here is my story....

I was car-jacked by 2 guys afew years ago. Hoping it was just the car they wanted-I screamed they could have it-and tossed the keys at one of them....And tried to get away....Not being satisfied with the keys they thought it was fun ( I guess) to make sure I was as beaten up as possible..I was pulled by my hair out of the car ( so I could not get to my can of mace), and held and beaten.

Luckily a man ( a hero to me)stopped when I was spotted in the middle of the road fighting the 2 guys off, helped me and called the police. It was in the newspapers and on TV and they ended up getting 5 and 7 years jail time.. My point is that [in that instance] I feel sure that if I had my gun in the glovebox-and flashed it out the window-the field would have been leveled somewhat.

I was left needing 4 days in hospital and loads stitches from defense injuries across my head,arms,neck and legs.

I gave one of them a black eye, though. Big deal..

How many people I wonder have actually been subjected to a robbery or assault I wonder…

Start a poll.ME for one!

I am not a fan of guns at all.I am not a " trigger happy" person, either. I don't go shooting for fun or hunt or even shoot skeet. I have a healthy fear and a serious respect for the safe use of guns. But you can bet that I know how to use one properly. I also know that if you pull a weapon out-you better be bloody serious about firing if you have to-as the chances of you being fired at increase.

I think in my instance having alittle protection would have helped me- as I was no match for 2 fully grown men.

I wish we lived in a world where things like my story do not happen; but we don't and this is just my story to point out that the field is not level in some circumstances. You cannot generalize.

All I'm saying is that most people (I hope) don't encounter violence on a daily basis; and whether or not you have a gun, knife, or have martial arts training - the fear and trauma of being assaulted or attacked is so beyond everyday experience that it can overcome whatever rational plans you might make for your protection.

On the other point - I did start a poll a while ago. Its in the archives I believe.

[tmma 467]

Personally I don’t think ‘packing a piece’ necessarily makes a person able to defend themselves.......

By " a person" do NOT include me in that generalization! Here is my story....

I was car-jacked by 2 guys afew years ago. Hoping it was just the car they wanted-I screamed they could have it-and tossed the keys at one of them....And tried to get away....Not being satisfied with the keys they thought it was fun ( I guess) to make sure I was as beaten up as possible..I was pulled by my hair out of the car ( so I could not get to my can of mace), and held and beaten.

Luckily a man ( a hero to me)stopped when I was spotted in the middle of the road fighting the 2 guys off, helped me and called the police. It was in the newspapers and on TV and they ended up getting 5 and 7 years jail time.. My point is that [in that instance] I feel sure that if I had my gun in the glovebox-and flashed it out the window-the field would have been leveled somewhat.

I was left needing 4 days in hospital and loads stitches from defense injuries across my head,arms,neck and legs.

I gave one of them a black eye, though. Big deal..

How many people I wonder have actually been subjected to a robbery or assault I wonder…

Start a poll.ME for one!

I am not a fan of guns at all.I am not a " trigger happy" person, either. I don't go shooting for fun or hunt or even shoot skeet. I have a healthy fear and a serious respect for the safe use of guns. But you can bet that I know how to use one properly. I also know that if you pull a weapon out-you better be bloody serious about firing if you have to-as the chances of you being fired at increase.

I think in my instance having alittle protection would have helped me- as I was no match for 2 fully grown men.

I wish we lived in a world where things like my story do not happen; but we don't and this is just my story to point out that the field is not level in some circumstances. You cannot generalize.

All I'm saying is that most people (I hope) don't encounter violence on a daily basis; and whether or not you have a gun, knife, or have martial arts training - the fear and trauma of being assaulted or attacked is so beyond everyday experience that it can overcome whatever rational plans you might make for your protection.

On the other point - I did start a poll a while ago. Its in the archives I believe.

I do get what you are saying here. The gun ownership debate has valid arguments either side, IMO.

................On a lighter note I missed this and then it was too late to edit and it made me chuckle.... [what can I say? I was in a hurry]

By " a person" do NOT include me in that generalization!

But I think you knew what meant!

[Cantankerous 0]

Personally I don't think "packing a piece" necessarily makes a person able to defend themselves. I'd say that most people who have a gun pulled on them are not thinking about pulling their gun, bashing the guy over the head or kicking him in the nuts ... but about the state of their underpants. I'd say its easy telling people how they should react in situations where a person isn't thinking rationally - hence that thread shortly after the Virginia Tech massacre.

Do we really live in a society where a person needs to carry a gun to go about their daily lives? How many people I wonder have actually been subjected to a robbery or assault I wonder. Probably not as many as are afraid of it happening.

Firearms are used for defense, based upon a variety of surveys over the last decade, somewhere between 800,000 and 2,000,000 times per year in the US. Firearms are also reported to be used between 3 and 5 times more often for defense than to commit a crime.

IMO, if someone is not properly trained I agree you are probably more of a danger to yourself and others and, as you said, will probably soil themselves...

It will be "a dream come true" to live in a society where you didn't have to worry about crazy people and how to protect yourself and your family. I hope that time comes sooner than later. In the meantime, the level of effort you want to take in order to be and feel safe is a very personal decision we all have to make on our own.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Tim&Lana

[tmma 467]

Personally I don’t think ‘packing a piece’ necessarily makes a person able to defend themselves. I’d say that most people who have a gun pulled on them are not thinking about pulling their gun, bashing the guy over the head or kicking him in the nuts – but about the state of their underpants. I'd say its easy telling people how they should react in situations where a person isn't thinking rationally - hence that thread shortly after the Virginia Tech massacre.

Do we really live in a society where a person needs to carry a gun to go about their daily lives? How many people I wonder have actually been subjected to a robbery or assault I wonder… Probably not as many as are afraid of it happening.

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It will be a dream come true to live in a society where you didn’t have to worry about crazy people and how to protect yourself and your family. I hope that time comes sooner than later. In the meantime, the level of effort you want to take in order to be and feel safe is a very personal decision we all have to make on our own.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Firearms are used for defense, based upon a variety of surveys over the last decade, somewhere between 800,000 and 2,000,000 times per year in the US. Firearms are also reported to be used between 3 and 5 times more often for defense than to commit a crime.

IMO, if someone is not properly trained I agree you are probably more of a danger to yourself and others and, as you said, will probably soil themselves...

It will be "a dream come true" to live in a society where you didn’t have to worry about crazy people and how to protect yourself and your family. I hope that time comes sooner than later. In the meantime, the level of effort you want to take in order to be and feel safe is a very personal decision we all have to make on our own.

Isn't that rather hard to quantify - without breaking it down into say... geographic areas. For example there are certain areas (Newark, NJ) for instance - where 90% of violent crime involves firearms.

I agree with you the choice is a personal one - but I think avoidance (as in knowing where you are - and avoiding high crime areas for instance) is at least as good a strategy as arming yourself to deal with crime.

[Cantankerous 0]

I agree with you the choice is a personal one - but I think avoidance (as in knowing where you are - and avoiding high crime areas for instance) is at least as good a strategy as arming yourself to deal with crime.

Yes, I completely agree that avoidance is crucial. It’s hard to be killed in an alley at 2am when you aren’t there in the first place.

In the news recently a Father attacked a man in court who was about to be sentenced for killing his son. Certainly, a horrible event that this man’s son was murdered; unfortunately, it is also true that the son was behind a bar trying to buy drugs when he was robbed and shot.

[FutureAmerican 2]

Just got back from Holiday/work trip, so haven't checked the forums for a while....my wife&I made our first gun purchase last November, a Beretta CX4 Storm in .40. VERY nice good, light and low recoil (so wifey is happy to use it), and it's used on the new Battlestar Galactica show...which added geek kudos to the purchase for me

For pics etc check out the website www.cx4storm.com !

[Cantankerous 0]

Just got back from Holiday/work trip, so haven't checked the forums for a while....my wife&I made our first gun purchase last November, a Beretta CX4 Storm in .40. VERY nice good, light and low recoil (so wifey is happy to use it), and it's used on the new Battlestar Galactica show...which added geek kudos to the purchase for me

For pics etc check out the website www.cx4storm.com !

Sweet!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Just got back from Holiday/work trip, so haven't checked the forums for a while....my wife&I made our first gun purchase last November, a Beretta CX4 Storm in .40. VERY nice good, light and low recoil (so wifey is happy to use it), and it's used on the new Battlestar Galactica show...which added geek kudos to the purchase for me

For pics etc check out the website www.cx4storm.com !

looks very good to me.... you could drive nails with that thing I bet (the gun)