utah online marriage Utah Online Marriage recognized in Morocco?

[petitioner2023 3]

Hi! I'm asking for planning and informational purpose. Few questions about the Utah online marriage. 

 

1. Will it be recognized in Morocco for CR1 purposes?

2. Does it matter if I visit the Moroccan before or after the online marriage? 

E.g. if I met someone on a trip to Morocco and we decided to get married, can I go back to the US and do the online marriage? Then apply for CR1.

Or does the in person meeting have to happen after the online marriage? Then I apply for CR1.

 

 

Morocco has a complicated and long process to get a local mixed marriage permit. This is why I'm considering doing the Utah online marriag instead of going through the local Morocco government process. 

[Crazy Cat 41,610]

1.  Yes, USCIS and consulate in Morocco will recognize a Utah online marriage if done properly.

2.  Absolutely.  USCIS will not recognize a marriage until both spouses are in the same place either during or after the marriage ceremony.

You would have to (1) marry via a Utah online marriage, (2) meet, then (3) start the CR-1 process...in that order.

 

For the purpose of immigration, a couple must consummate the marriage before USCIS will recognize the marriage. Consummation, per USCIS standards, means being in the same place during or after the ceremony. You cannot file a proper I-130 until the marriage has been consummated. 

Edited May 14 by Crazy Cat

[JeanneAdil 6,414]

yes, Utah is accepted 

for Morocco meet in person before u marry to prove the relationship ,  itself , is real

 

meeting someone in Morocco on a trip is great and needed as the moroccan probably would not get a tourist visa to visit US

and meeting in a 3rd country also good

keep boarding passes of any and all trips to show proof u have met in person 

 

Marriage in Morocco has been done by many of us and it just takes time

complicated?  the steps are clearly laid out on the US embassy Casablanca site

just follow them 

And yes,  it takes  a few weeks to go thru the process to marry in Morocco but its time spent together which is very important for the interview

Costs?  biggest costs is the translations / $10 a page back when i did it (2010)

 

You need to know the red flag issues that concern a CO for interview in Casa 

1. decision to marry within days of meeting online or in person

2. "Hurry to marry" reguest from the Moroccan or fast engagement before or after meeting

3.  limited visits or time spent together / this is a big one

4.  big age difference

5.  education and work experience of the Moroccan

6.  interviewer sometimes can be a Moroccan and they will follow Moroccan culture (which is very different than ours)

7.  parents of the moroccan approve of the marriage especially the mother

8.  dowry accepted and paid (again a culture issue)

 

Since Casa embassy is already difficult for getting an approved visa,  i have not seen any that have tried the Utah Zoom procedure

[powerpuff 6,604]

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[pushbrk 12,814]

On 5/15/2024 at 5:21 AM, JeanneAdil said:

yes, Utah is accepted 

for Morocco meet in person before u marry to prove the relationship ,  itself , is real

 

meeting someone in Morocco on a trip is great and needed as the moroccan probably would not get a tourist visa to visit US

and meeting in a 3rd country also good

keep boarding passes of any and all trips to show proof u have met in person 

 

Marriage in Morocco has been done by many of us and it just takes time

complicated?  the steps are clearly laid out on the US embassy Casablanca site

just follow them 

And yes,  it takes  a few weeks to go thru the process to marry in Morocco but its time spent together which is very important for the interview

Costs?  biggest costs is the translations / $10 a page back when i did it (2010)

 

You need to know the red flag issues that concern a CO for interview in Casa 

1. decision to marry within days of meeting online or in person

2. "Hurry to marry" reguest from the Moroccan or fast engagement before or after meeting

3.  limited visits or time spent together / this is a big one

4.  big age difference

5.  education and work experience of the Moroccan

6.  interviewer sometimes can be a Moroccan and they will follow Moroccan culture (which is very different than ours)

7.  parents of the moroccan approve of the marriage especially the mother

8.  dowry accepted and paid (again a culture issue)

 

Since Casa embassy is already difficult for getting an approved visa,  i have not seen any that have tried the Utah Zoom procedure

The first answer you got covers consummation issue but the above does not.  Above is all very good information, but if  you do the online/proxy/Utah marriage, you must be together with your spouse AFTER or DURING the ceremony and show evidence of that when filing the initial petition.  In short, one visit only BEFORE the marriage, is not enough to start the process.  Since you'll be dealing with a Consulate that sees a high level of US Immigration fraud, the strongest evidence you have a bona fide (not just legal for immigration purposes) marriage is the evidence of the time you spend together in person.  If your goal is to minimize travel and time together, you need to change that goal.

[JeanneAdil 6,414]

On 5/16/2024 at 8:29 PM, pushbrk said:

The first answer you got covers consummation issue but the above does not.  Above is all very good information, but if  you do the online/proxy/Utah marriage, you must be together with your spouse AFTER or DURING the ceremony and show evidence of that when filing the initial petition.  In short, one visit only BEFORE the marriage, is not enough to start the process.  Since you'll be dealing with a Consulate that sees a high level of US Immigration fraud, the strongest evidence you have a bona fide (not just legal for immigration purposes) marriage is the evidence of the time you spend together in person.  If your goal is to minimize travel and time together, you need to change that goal.

i didn't cover comsumaaation as it was addressed 

but for morocco if they don't meet before a Utah zoom,  it will face a denial 

we have to spend quality time together to get a CR1 visa

we have to meet the family

Family has to approve and its not quaranteed that they will just to get the Moroccan to the US 

Casa does not have to approve a spouse visa and often deny even if marriage is done in Morocco

 

this person needs to go and meet and then apply / not just Utah zoom and then travel to meet her

[pushbrk 12,814]

6 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

i didn't cover comsumaaation as it was addressed 

but for morocco if they don't meet before a Utah zoom,  it will face a denial 

we have to spend quality time together to get a CR1 visa

we have to meet the family

Family has to approve and its not quaranteed that they will just to get the Moroccan to the US 

Casa does not have to approve a spouse visa and often deny even if marriage is done in Morocco

 

this person needs to go and meet and then apply / not just Utah zoom and then travel to meet her

I agree it's better to meet first.  The length of visits is also very important.  The best evidence of a bona fide relationship is always the time you spend together in person.  That applies to every country, but not in equal measure.

[petitioner2023 3]

Thanks for all the answers. I think I won't consider the Utah option anymore and will go through the process of getting married in Morocco. Unfortunately, I'll only be able to visit for two weeks at a time because that's how my company's vacation policy is. I can visit once in the summer and once in winter but not more than 10-14 days each time. 

[petitioner2023 3]

On 5/14/2024 at 5:21 PM, JeanneAdil said:

Marriage in Morocco has been done by many of us and it just takes time

complicated?  the steps are clearly laid out on the US embassy Casablanca site

just follow them 

And yes,  it takes  a few weeks to go thru the process to marry in Morocco but its time spent together which is very important for the interview

Could it be done in less than a few weeks if the woman lives in Rabat? E.g. one week or two weeks to get the mixed marriage permit?

[pushbrk 12,814]

2 hours ago, petitioner2023 said:

Thanks for all the answers. I think I won't consider the Utah option anymore and will go through the process of getting married in Morocco. Unfortunately, I'll only be able to visit for two weeks at a time because that's how my company's vacation policy is. I can visit once in the summer and once in winter but not more than 10-14 days each time. 

Be aware, Consular Officers will not care one little bit about your company's vacation policy.  Make a few visits before you marry, or before you file.  Everybody's in a hurry, but nobody is in a hurry to be denied.  If you want to be together, then do what is necessary to overcome the obstacles.  They won't disappear because you have a reason visiting is difficult.

[JeanneAdil 6,414]

12 hours ago, petitioner2023 said:

Could it be done in less than a few weeks if the woman lives in Rabat? E.g. one week or two weeks to get the mixed marriage permit?

Is she muslim?

is the man muslim? as a muslim woman must marry muslim man

[petitioner2023 3]

1 minute ago, JeanneAdil said:

Is she muslim?

is the man muslim? as a muslim woman must marry muslim man

Both are Muslim.