fiancee work concern

[Yodrak 7]

The expression may well have different connotations in different countries, but I think it's the reference to "from an Asian country" that's too broad. Asia is a big place, and there are only a very few countries where 'working bar' is a code word for prostitution.

Yodrak

Not true. If you come from an Asia country and had anything at all to do with adult entertainment, working in a bar, nude modeling, etc. they will refuse your visa. I have a friend who is an Immigration Attorney living in Thailand and he said it is absolutely a reason for the visa to be denied. Actually, the K-1 visa process is all about ethics. That's why they check your family, your previous jobs, name changes, past marriages/children, etc. It's your visa, so make a good decision.

Well I would have guessed it wouldn't matter, but that just proves what a newbie I am (despite being on day 101 waiting for NOA2). The worst part is now I'm a little nervous because my fiancee is from S. Korea where she worked free of charge at the bar her family owns. It's totally legit so I guess I'll hope for the best. And be honest!

I think the reference to "working in a bar" was a bit too general. There are certain kinds of bars in Asia that appear to operate like any "Cocktail Lounge" or night club but, in reality, either the waitresses, the female clientele or both are prostitutes. Actually, these bars are quite common in some Asian countries. Certainly other "bars" are simply bars. Your fiancee will want to be sure to indicate she was employed by her family, also quite common in Asia.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Yodrak

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Link?

[no name 1]

I think it's the reference to "from an Asian country" that's too broad. Asia is a big place, and there are only a very few countries where 'working bar' is a code word for prostitution.

Yodrak

I think the reference to "working in a bar" was a bit too general. There are certain kinds of bars in Asia that appear to operate like any "Cocktail Lounge" or night club but, in reality, either the waitresses, the female clientele or both are prostitutes. Actually, these bars are quite common in some Asian countries. Certainly other "bars" are simply bars. Your fiancee will want to be sure to indicate she was employed by her family, also quite common in Asia.

Yes Yodrak I agree.

So pushbrk, now you well versed in ALL EMBASSIES ASIAN? Before it was only PI & China....

[pushbrk 12,812]

I think it's the reference to "from an Asian country" that's too broad. Asia is a big place, and there are only a very few countries where 'working bar' is a code word for prostitution.

Yodrak

I think the reference to "working in a bar" was a bit too general. There are certain kinds of bars in Asia that appear to operate like any "Cocktail Lounge" or night club but, in reality, either the waitresses, the female clientele or both are prostitutes. Actually, these bars are quite common in some Asian countries. Certainly other "bars" are simply bars. Your fiancee will want to be sure to indicate she was employed by her family, also quite common in Asia.

Yes Yodrak I agree.

So pushbrk, now you well versed in ALL EMBASSIES ASIAN? Before it was only PI & China....

I don't think you'll find any comments about Embassies in the paragraph you quoted. It's about bars and family businesses in Asia. Yes, I know enough about bars and family businesses in Asia to make the statement I made. It would be foolish to read more into it than that.

You can be assured that Consular Officers in Asia are well briefed on the same subjects though.

I'm a little baffled at why you are miffed about such statements but this comes to mind as I ponder it.

Following is the winning entry from an annual contest calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.

.

This year's term: Political Correctness.

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And the winning definition is:

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a ####### by the clean end."

Edited August 10, 2007 by pushbrk

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Just for some historical perspective on prostitution in the Philippines. I talked with my wife about this thread and the subject of girls who worked as prostitutes before but later marry foreigners. When U.S. military bases were stationed in the Philippines, prostitutes and bar girls started appearing nearby. This was the case for many countries with U.S. military bases that were stationed particularly in impoverished countries.

I think it's worth pointing this out because I think many here might be offended by the notion that many Filipinas going through the K-1 process are former prostitutes. When the bases closed, prostitution was no longer an economically viable means for a woman to make a living, except perhaps in tourist areas, but not to the degree that they existed before. It is also a bit of a controversial subject for many native Filipinos as many girls were coerced or forced into sex with GI's than actually soliciting themselves for sex.

For many Filipinos who are proud of their country and culture, it would be insulting to suggest that their women are all too eager to sell themselves to foreign men for sex or even to marry themselves to a foreign man. Yes, it's a stain on their past but it is also as much a stain on America's past for contributing to such a condition.

There may have been a time when there were a lot of former prostitutes who were going through the K-1 process, but according to my wife, that no longer is this case since the closer of the bases as well as the dawn of the internet. Most of the women are meeting their American fiances through the internet nowadays. I'll try to find statistics if I can, but this makes logical sense to me.

[pushbrk 12,812]

Just for some historical perspective on prostitution in the Philippines. I talked with my wife about this thread and the subject of girls who worked as prostitutes before but later marry foreigners. When U.S. military bases were stationed in the Philippines, prostitutes and bar girls started appearing nearby. This was the case for many countries with U.S. military bases that were stationed particularly in impoverished countries.

I think it's worth pointing this out because I think many here might be offended by the notion that many Filipinas going through the K-1 process are former prostitutes. When the bases closed, prostitution was no longer an economically viable means for a woman to make a living, except perhaps in tourist areas, but not to the degree that they existed before. It is also a bit of a controversial subject for many native Filipinos as many girls were coerced or forced into sex with GI's than actually soliciting themselves for sex.

For many Filipinos who are proud of their country and culture, it would be insulting to suggest that their women are all too eager to sell themselves to foreign men for sex or even to marry themselves to a foreign man. Yes, it's a stain on their past but it is also as much a stain on America's past for contributing to such a condition.

There may have been a time when there were a lot of former prostitutes who were going through the K-1 process, but according to my wife, that no longer is this case since the closer of the bases as well as the dawn of the internet. Most of the women are meeting their American fiances through the internet nowadays. I'll try to find statistics if I can, but this makes logical sense to me.

This, of course, describes the circumstances the feed the facts Yodrak and I have pointed to. However, the closing of the bases didn't extinguish the prostitutes, it simply changed the status of many to "former prostitutes" many of which are meeting foreign fiances or husbands through the internet nowadays. Further, even though the bases have closed, the PI is still a popular port of call for not only the US, but other major Navys so the circumstances persist today, though less extensively.

Thailand is a somewhat different story but still very similar. It is a popular port of call but even more popular is Singapore. Singapore regularly grants 3 week visas to young Thai women who come and work as prostitutes in Singapore. Some of these women are not involved in Prostitution in their homeland and some are. Downtown Singapore has a popular 4 story shopping mall that operates a thriving merchant business by day but has numerous otherwise normal looking night clubs full of men and women. The clientelle would look much like that of your local US "meat market" bar except the drinks are more expensive, the music lower quaility and girls a bit more forward. Of course the female customers are all prostitutes available for the night at reasonable prices. After their "shift" they return to dormitory style accomodations. So, again, many prostitutes or former prostitutes are meeting their foreign fiances or husbands on the internet or in person whether while engaged in their profession or not.

Macau is similar to Singapore in this regard but the visas are granted for a longer stay and the women primarily come from Vietnam.

Again, I present this information simply as a fact of life. I'm not moralizing or disparaging any country or its people in any way or suggesting that there aren't many bona fide relationships with former prostitutes. Somewhat similar circumstances occur in most countries, to varying degrees. Pretending otherwise doesn't change that. The discussion is about how to deal with the issue in the visa process. Those offended by such discussions are free to avoid participation. The OP broached the general subject matter and later I, in my confusion, concluded his fiance was a Filipina. The don't call it "the oldest profession" for nothing.

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For many Filipinos who are proud of their country and culture, it would be insulting to suggest that their women are all too eager to sell themselves to foreign men for sex or even to marry themselves to a foreign man.

I have not been to PI.

Logic would suggest that a Consulate would deal with the roughly the same number of applications for women and men.

PI does not seem to follow this pattern.

How do you explain that?

[pushbrk 12,812]

For many Filipinos who are proud of their country and culture, it would be insulting to suggest that their women are all too eager to sell themselves to foreign men for sex or even to marry themselves to a foreign man.

I have not been to PI.

Logic would suggest that a Consulate would deal with the roughly the same number of applications for women and men.

PI does not seem to follow this pattern.

How do you explain that?

Logic suggests that about some Consulate, like London, Paris, Vancouver or Montreal but not about countries on the low end of the economic ladder. In the case of China, the culture adds to the reasons for the difference even among financially secure women.

[Mr and Mrs Bird 0]

this is kind of a strange question but it has been on my mind.has anyone come across a problem with their fiancee work when applying for a k1 visa? i ask cuz my fiance has what some may consider a questionable job.she is an internet cam model for an adult website.it is all perfectly legal from what i understand i was just wondering if they may see this as some kind of red flag in the process?thanks

I was stuck in background checks before my K-1 visa interview in about 3 month because of my Hi-tech electronic job for about 30 years.

They told our lawyer that my job needed an extended check and had to contact my 3 different work places for more informations.

It affected my I-129F petition indeed with so much more waiting time and I was scared to dead .

I would never believe this could happen, but all of a sudden I was afraid they would look at me as a possible terrorist.

At least I was approved and they didn't talk about this at all on my K-1 interview.

I think it was a very good and interesting question dbs78

Anette

[Caladan 19]

Not wanting to generalize about 'Asia' isn't some namby-pamby political correctness nicety, but just the fact that what holds in HCMC might not hold in Ulaanbataar. Or Japan. Or India.

In any case, I reiterate my advice to the OP to talk to a lawyer who is familiar with the consulate. The consular officers aren't ignorant, and they'll know that say "working bar" or "unemployed" in such-and-such an area when the girl is from such-and-such a town likely is a euphemism.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

For many Filipinos who are proud of their country and culture, it would be insulting to suggest that their women are all too eager to sell themselves to foreign men for sex or even to marry themselves to a foreign man.

I have not been to PI.

Logic would suggest that a Consulate would deal with the roughly the same number of applications for women and men.

PI does not seem to follow this pattern.

How do you explain that?

That is a whole topic in of itself, but I'm sure that holds true for most U.S. Embassies in impoverished countries, not just the Philippines.

[no name 1]

I don't think you'll find any comments about Embassies in the paragraph you quoted. It's about bars and family businesses in Asia. Yes, I know enough about bars and family businesses in Asia to make the statement I made. It would be foolish to read more into it than that.

You can be assured that Consular Officers in Asia are well briefed on the same subjects though.

I'm a little baffled at why you are miffed about such statements but this comes to mind as I ponder it.

Following is the winning entry from an annual contest calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.

.

This year's term: Political Correctness.

.

And the winning definition is:

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a ####### by the clean end."

You assumed she was from the PI, there were 3 pages where the OP posted many times with that pretty red yellow & blue flag next to the OP's name, yet you continue to offer advice on someting you know nothing about, except perhaps in China.

I asked if you were versed in the PI as well as China & you said Thailand as well. Then you say you know about 'certain kinds of bars in Asia' & they have prostitutes. So you therefore are able to advise on all Asian embassy related questions as you know about Asian 'bar workers' or cocktail lounge workers...

Here's my winning definition for you:

ar·ro·gance /ˈærəgəns/

–noun offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. [Origin: 1275–1325; ME < MF < L arrogantia presumption. See arrogant, -ance]

—Synonyms haughtiness, insolence, disdain.

[pushbrk 12,812]

I don't think you'll find any comments about Embassies in the paragraph you quoted. It's about bars and family businesses in Asia. Yes, I know enough about bars and family businesses in Asia to make the statement I made. It would be foolish to read more into it than that.

You can be assured that Consular Officers in Asia are well briefed on the same subjects though.

I'm a little baffled at why you are miffed about such statements but this comes to mind as I ponder it.

Following is the winning entry from an annual contest calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.

.

This year's term: Political Correctness.

.

And the winning definition is:

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a ####### by the clean end."

You assumed she was from the PI, there were 3 pages where the OP posted many times with that pretty red yellow & blue flag next to the OP's name, yet you continue to offer advice on someting you know nothing about, except perhaps in China.

I asked if you were versed in the PI as well as China & you said Thailand as well. Then you say you know about 'certain kinds of bars in Asia' & they have prostitutes. So you therefore are able to advise on all Asian embassy related questions as you know about Asian 'bar workers' or cocktail lounge workers...

Here's my winning definition for you:

ar·ro·gance /ˈærəgəns/

–noun offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. [Origin: 1275–1325; ME < MF < L arrogantia presumption. See arrogant, -ance]

—Synonyms haughtiness, insolence, disdain.

You do like to blow things out of proportion, don't you? I've said what I've said, not the so much more you read into it. However, I will add that there are more sources of knowledge in the world than hands on experience or internet links.

As for arrogance, wasn't it my fellow Oklahoma native, Will Rogers who said, "If you done it, it ain't braggin." If I know something and think it will be of benefit to somebody, I'll share it without concern for how many narrow minded, territorial jealous people think I'm being arrogant. Now who was it that first said, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."?

[Yodrak 7]

Enough. I think that the OP has been given sufficient advice that the side topic has run its' course.

The thread is locked.

Yodrak

Enough. I think the OP has received sufficient opinion with regard to his situation and the tangential topic has run its' course.

This thread is locked.

Yodrak