Wiretapping Law Casts Pall On Democrats

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Usually these things just get renamed. Govt generally doesn't give back the powers that have been conceded to it.

[Heracles 417]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Too many basing their facts on the movie 'Enemy of the State'..

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Edited August 8, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[GaryC 7]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

[Heracles 417]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Whenever I hear the term unconstitutional I just roll my eyes. Why act like the constitution was written by God himself. What about right or wrong? What about being relative to the times?

Only a fool would think something created many centuries ago, relative to those times, should still apply literally word for word in todays society.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Scott & Lai 12]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

Hint #3: Ever heard of the "stitch in time that saved nine"?

[Heracles 417]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

Hint #3: Ever heard of the "stitch in time that saved nine"?

What kills me is that if there was a Bin Laden during the era the constitution was written, would they have not factored that in and made the appropriate exceptions. Here we have people trying to apply laws written prior to the existence of any electrical technology into todays society.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point of a constitution is to set down absolute values about certain general principles that should never be compromised. For example, the right to a due process, the right not to be tortured or persecuted.

This is why I’m no fan of Leo Strauss, as he believed that the constitution was a nice to have - that could be thrown aside at a moments notice. That might be true for countries which are politically unstable, but for a 1st world nation to do this opens up a potentially very ugly can of worms (hence the German Weimar constitution was effectively neutered by 2 pieces of subversive legislation. Clearly that did not turn out well).

In this case, there is a valid point about the separation of powers. The surveillance programme, I believe now comes under the remit of the FISA court, when previously it didn’t. At least now there is a small element of control over this. As I said – I think the biggest criticism of this was with the warrantless part.

[almaty 19]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

Hint #3: Ever heard of the "stitch in time that saved nine"?

What kills me is that if there was a Bin Laden during the era the constitution was written, would they have not factored that in and made the appropriate exceptions. Here we have people trying to apply laws written prior to the existence of any electrical technology into todays society.

such is the constitution and the Bible

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

That's lame...seriously. Yes, it was 'liberal' Supreme Court Justices imposing their personal agenda rather than upholding the Constitution. Has all reason left political debate?

[GaryC 7]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

That's lame...seriously. Yes, it was 'liberal' Supreme Court Justices imposing their personal agenda rather than upholding the Constitution. Has all reason left political debate?

Are you serious? So by the same token the current "conservative" court is not imposing their personal agenda? Or are you saying only conservatives have a personal agenda? Talk about blinders on!! Get your head out of the sand!!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

That's lame...seriously. Yes, it was 'liberal' Supreme Court Justices imposing their personal agenda rather than upholding the Constitution. Has all reason left political debate?

Are you serious? So by the same token the current "conservative" court is not imposing their personal agenda? Or are you saying only conservatives have a personal agenda? Talk about blinders on!! Get your head out of the sand!!!

What specific examples are we talking about here?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Speaker of the House, Nance Pelosi (D-CA), said the spy legislation "does violence to the U.S. Constitution."

I can't help but chuckle whenever I hear Dems talking about violence being done to the Constitution

Scott, we can do a list of bills that were put forward by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that were later found unconstitutional and guess which Party would have the most unconstitutional bills? (hint: it wouldn't be the Democrats)

Hint # 2. Up until a few years ago guess which party had a majority on the Supreme Court? I wonder if there is a correlation?

That's lame...seriously. Yes, it was 'liberal' Supreme Court Justices imposing their personal agenda rather than upholding the Constitution. Has all reason left political debate?

Are you serious? So by the same token the current "conservative" court is not imposing their personal agenda? Or are you saying only conservatives have a personal agenda? Talk about blinders on!! Get your head out of the sand!!!

No, I don't think that way, Gary...sorry. They may have their ideological leanings, but they should recognize they are one branch of our government and fulfill their end of that responsibility...mainly to review laws on their constitutional merits. They aren't politicians nor should they be. It's like doctors and their hippocratic oath.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Mister Fancypants