More info on our K3 deny

[Imgone 0]

Ok, I have more information now. My wife went to pick up her passports today and was told that the reason for the denial is that she lives with the father of my stepson. They questioned him without her present she was at the hospital with her sister. Ok the man that they seen at my wifes house is her brother and was never asked any thing and her mother was there also. My wifes brother is staying with her temporary untill he finds a new job. Ok the consular gave her no type of notice or any thing he just said it was denied and that her visitor visa i being revoked and she is baned from applying for 10 years ####### and that the petition is being sent back the the US and there is nothing we can do. She said that this is very young guy and i think that

he has just been hired. I think that this is BS and none of the proper procedures where followed. I have written many emails to ask to speak with a supervisor but to no avail. I wrote my senator and to the Ambassador in panama I guess i will have to wait more... Also they said she couldn't tell them if i have been to Iraq I work for the national guard full time. I don't talk much about my military career because i do not wish to remember it. I am a civilian now with the department of defense and she knew that and what i did. I guess i need to find an Attorney and sue.

[Imgone 0]

ok here is a email i got from the consular that interviewd my wife,

I apologize that you feel that we do not have the facts right in this case. Here is what we have gathered. During my initial interview, your wife was unable to answer several simple questions about you and her relationship with you. This is often a sign of relationship fraud, and so I followed established procedure and referred the case to the Fraud Prevention Unit (FPU) here at Embassy Panama . FPU followed all procedures and gained the testimony of your step-son and others that your wife continues to live with the father of her child. We have made no assumptions; we have simply gathered these facts and have sent her file back to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with a recommendation that it be revoked as it is not clearly approvable. The case will be reviewed by DHS before the visa is denied. Without knowing you or your wife, consular officers are forced to base their decisions on the interview, the law, and all other available evidence. I hope this helps you understand the decision that was made and why it was made. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions about this case, and please be patient in awaiting a response; it often takes time to sift through and answer the vast amounts of e-mails we receive each day.

Sincerely,

Sean Greenley

Vice-Consul

Embassy Panama

ok the questions were not several question's it was 3 that she did not know.

1. How much money i make a year. I told her how much i make every pay day but we never talk about money because she didn't want me to think she was marrying me for my money.

2. Have i been to Iraq ( I don't talk about my military career because i don't like the memories) she knows i work as a civilian for the Department of Defense.

3. where does my brother live. ( she only went one time and i never thought to tell her she knew he lived near me.)

Let me say that they drilled her for over an hour and she answered the rest of the questions it was so many she cant remember them all.

They even asked her when and where we first made love.

[Yodrak 7]

Ninetok,

Yup.

Yodrak

..... I guess i need to find an Attorney .....

[JenT 0]

No one here can help you beyond moral support. You need to hire an attorney. Like, yesterday.

Or... figure out how to move to Panama.

[pushbrk 13,094]

No one here can help you beyond moral support. You need to hire an attorney. Like, yesterday.

Or... figure out how to move to Panama.

Hiring an attorney immediately, in Panama, to intervene and keep the case at the Consulate is the best course of action. That said, I would be prepared for one of two things.

1. The in home investigator was too stupid to ask the "brother" for identification.

2. He did, and the ID matched the name of the child's father.

[Imgone 0]

No they never asked the brother any thing or the grandmother.

And no the names are totaly diffrent.

[Yodrak 7]

Ninetok,

Or, someone is wearing rose-colored glasses. A consular officer's job is to assume the worst - the INA says so - while fiance(e)s generally tend to assume the best. Success requires understanding how consular officer's are required to think.

Assemble evidence that the person your wife is living with is not the father of her child. And get an experienced immigration attorney to assist you.

Or see an optomitrist. Sometimes, on rare ocassions, consular officers may be correct.

Yodrak

No they never asked the brother any thing or the grandmother.

And no the names are totaly diffrent.

[pushbrk 13,094]

Sometimes it is very important to know wht you don't know. Since you were not present, you don't know who was there and what transpired. What you do know is what your wife told you. Unfortunately there are sometimes discrepancies between facts and declarations.

If the fact turns out to be no ID was checked AND you can supply evidence the male in the home was her brother, then your facts will likely prevail but you WILL need the assistance of an attorney on this.

Please don't conclude I'm disparaging your wife in any way. Part of having the cool head needed in this circumstance is to focus on facts instead of emotions.

Ninetok,

Or, someone is wearing rose-colored glasses. A consular officer's job is to assume the worst - the INA says so - while fiance(e)s generally tend to assume the best. Success requires understanding how consular officer's are required to think.

Assemble evidence that the person your wife is living with is not the father of her child. And get an experienced immigration attorney to assist you.

Or see an optomitrist. Sometimes, on rare ocassions, consular officers may be correct.

Yodrak

No they never asked the brother any thing or the grandmother.

And no the names are totaly diffrent.

[Jasman0717 9]

Wow, you would at least expect them to find out who the heck they are interviewing before making such a critical decision. I am very sorry for you two. I hope your elected representative can get to the bottom of this. Good luck

[payxibka 10,047]

FPU followed all procedures and gained the testimony of your step-son and others that your wife continues to live with the father of her child.

In the consular's response it indicates "testimony of your step-son and others...." How do you refute your own stepson's testimony that the man she/they live with is not his father?

[Imgone 0]

Ok i talked more with my step son and he said that he was asked where does your father live and he told them in panama Meaning in panama city my wifes home in in Chepo panama almost two hours away. He says he never said that his father lives with them because he never has. I have written and explained that my stepsons father is married and lives in panama city. My wife even told them this and she said the consular wouldn't even Listen to her. She has papers stating she has custody and permission for my step son to go to the US. She also has a certificado de soltero meaning that she is single and has never been married. My son also said that it was American's that came to the home and there Spanish was very bad. He only knows little English I speak Spanish I learned in the Military Its not strong but He said my Spanish was better than theres. I know i rant on But i want to put all of this out here so others can lean what to expect and maybe save them from going through this....... I have an appointment with an attorney tomorrow...

Edited August 8, 2007 by Ninetok

[*JG* 2]

Well, in their defense, I could see where they might assume these things. Your timeline is a little on the limited side and there was a strange man present during the visit. However, I do agree they should've asked for some sort of identification and I find it hard to believe they didn't with satisfactory conclusions.

I think an experienced immigration attorney will be your best bet now.

I wish you luck.