Does this mean I am banned from US for life?

[PaulaCJohnny 713]

How long after the moment that you obtained the Refugee Travel document did you try to cross the border?

 

I’m not saying that this was your case but a lot of people use Canada as a first step to next try to live in the US.

 

Just remember that does not matter if you are now ALSO a Canadian citizen you are still a citizen of your country (or if you gave up your last citizenship l, you still have a history with this country. This will always be in your record, forever and ever). If you share what country you are originally from can also help with some information.

 

US and Canada share information not just because of the close border but also because that I mentioned, the amount of people that first try to go to US and after Canada and vice-versa, thinking one will be easier than other. 
 

Like other said and I agree 100% the best option is dig a little bit more before try to cross the border if you want to avoid the last kind of CBP approach. As you noticed they knew and have all the evidences that you did not was honest before and honesty is not just important on life but is essential in an immigration process. A lawyer can file a FOIA that maybe can shed some light 

 

 

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[SalishSea 17,801]

16 minutes ago, PaulaCJohnny said:

How long after the moment that you obtained the Refugee Travel document did you try to cross the border?

 

I’m not saying that this was your case but a lot of people use Canada as a first step to next try to live in the US.

 

Just remember that does not matter if you are now ALSO a Canadian citizen you are still a citizen of your country (or if you gave up your last citizenship l, you still have a history with this country. This will always be in your record, forever and ever). If you share what country you are originally from can also help with some information.

 

US and Canada share information not just because of the close border but also because that I mentioned, the amount of people that first try to go to US and after Canada and vice-versa, thinking one will be easier than other. 
 

Like other said and I agree 100% the best option is dig a little bit more before try to cross the border if you want to avoid the last kind of CBP approach. As you noticed they knew and have all the evidences that you did not was honest before and honesty is not just important on life but is essential in an immigration process. A lawyer can file a FOIA that maybe can shed some light 

 

 

I think the FOIA is essential, and probably a lawyer, too.   Maybe @Boiler will arrive and weigh in on the waiver issue, but I would expect it to be difficult to obtain a waiver for a tourist visa to visit siblings.

[Boiler 45,445]

I am going to guess you did a Roxham Road?

 

So you were refused for misrep and immigrant intent.

 

I believe you need an I 192 for Misrep, there is no waiver for immigrant intent, you need a change of circumstances.

 

https://e-safe.cbp.dhs.gov/s/login/?ec=302&startURL=%2Fs%2F

 

A timeline would help, certainly does sound that you have an interesting immigration past.

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[SteveInBostonI130 3,432]

11 hours ago, kelly74 said:

I had a US visa before on my passport so I had an official legal entry to the US in 2018.

Of course, it is not a right. That is not my concern. I do not require visa anymore since I am a Canadian citizen, I have no criminal offence or history. I am just curious if I will ever be able to enter US again using my Canadian passport.

 

There's not much to do other than to contact an immigration lawyer.

 

If you asked in 2018, before you illegally crossed into Canada, we would have advised you not to do so and the potential consequences.

 

If you asked before applying for a B2 visa with your Canada refugee document, we would have advised you not to do so and the potential consequences.

 

Currently you are experiencing those consequences - mainly, the denial of the B2 and bar from entry to the US.  The best chance to visit was to wait until you received Canadian citizenship and attempt a land crossing, although CBP could have denied your entry due to the illegal crossing in 2018.

 

[igoyougoduke 1,653]

11 hours ago, kelly74 said:

I am not sure what part you did not understand but I will try to describe more details. 

As soon as I reached the officer, he said "Why should I give a visa to person who crossed the border from US to Canada illegally?"
I said, "I apologize but I had valid reasons to do so-"
He immediately interrupted me with a smirk saying "Yes, you should be sorry because you will not be getting a visa" as I was shocked he said bunch of other stuff that I couldn't understand and threw my passport back at me in a way like he didn't even want to touch any document I possess. Then gave me this letter and that was it, he wanted me to leave the building asap. I did not mispresent any document, I was honest and I was thorough on my visa application. I did cross the border from US to Canada illegally but I didn't understand what part is fraud or misrepresentation of a document during the application. I did not try to hide or lie, I was applying for visa to be able to see my siblings as they reside in US. I don't remember him saying I am banned from US or something but the section 212(a)(6)(c)1 seems like I am. The part I did not understand is if I am eligible for a waiver application or not. 

Please tell me if you need more details.

they think

 

1) you are a potential immigrant to USA and will never leave US. if your entire family in US, there is a good chance you will never leave USA 

2) they think you lied to them during visa application

 

if the above 2 changes than you can try getting a waiver 

[jan22 3,049]

There is something more to this. If I understood what the OP has said, he entered the US with a visa issued in 2014 and, while in the US, he used the opportunity to enter Canada illegally where he then claimed asylum.  Subsequently, he applied for a new US visa in Canada  2018.  (He has not responded to questions about his previous nationality, but there is a good possibility that the 2014 visa was still valid -- many are issued for 5 or 10 years -- so why apply in 2018?) 

 

He then seems to say, if I understood, that the visa was denied under 6C1 for his illegal entry into Canada from the US.  That makes no sense and is not a reason for a visa denial under 6C1 -- the US does not make that finding based on violation of another country's immigration laws. (NOTE: It would make sense if the ineligibility finding was 212(a)(6)(C)(ii) aka 6C2 -- false claim to US citizenship when he entered Canada).

 

So, there are still some holes in the story.  And, BTW, there is no way the interviewing officer "...threw my passport back at me..." -- not possible to do through a hardline interview window!

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[jan22 3,049]

And, to answer the original question, if denied under 6C1 or 6C2, you are ineligible to enter the US, no matter your nationality, without a waiver of that ineligibility until you are 99 years old, so it is usually referred to as a permenent ineligibility.

[African Zealot 1,455]

Based on the little I’ve read some of which is incoherent and lacking a clear timeline, your chances are slim and none at this time and Slim is currently out of town for an extended period.

 

You crossed the border illegally and now having procured new citizenship want to reenter the USA.

 

Nyet!

[kelly73 0]

Hello everyone,

Sorry I had to create another account to be able to write another response, my main account has daily limit. I was going to wait 24 hours but due to getting too many different perspectives without being able to response at all, I thought this will be more efficient. Sorry if you think otherwise.

I will start explaining again.

If you think I am poorly explaining the details, it is because I am not very familiar with these situations, I never had to claim asylum before in my life, I never had any immigration problems. I don't know what kind of detail is crucial or not. I never joined visa or immigration forums before because I never needed to. I would just follow the legal procedure and get my visa then travel. I travelled more than 15 countries, most of them required visa from my origin country. I can clearly understand some passive-aggressive comments because I crossed the border illegally, some of you may think I am just another person that is abusing the laws but it is not the case at all. I am a person who is a team leader in a video game company, I almost never did labor work due to my high education, if you ask me why did not I choose the legal way to stay then, I had no time or desire to live in another country. I wanted to live in my own country but my own country is a country that puts people in prison over a political tweet. I was going to claim asylum in US but I did not because my immigration lawyer told me US might want to see you in prison first to find your reason enough to be able to claim asylum, he suggested me to go to Canada to not risk getting deported and eventually going to prison on my own country(He suggested that Canada is more understanding with those issues in your own country) I also went on a hearing and proved multiple physical evidence that I am in danger in my own country. I would apply for the Express Entry which provides permanent residency in Canada legally, but it takes at least 1 year to get a positive result. I cannot stay more than 6 months in US and I cannot go back to my own country to wait for the process. I would be in prison. Applying for tourist visa in Canada and then claiming asylum would be a similar thing to do with crossing the border, it would be lying to get a visa. Well I am a human after all and I cannot make the best decision in all cases. Some of you may think it is the right thing to do while the others think it is completely wrong and I get it. My siblings are in US and my parents are in my origin country. I haven't seen anyone from my family for the last 6 years. If you think I am here to enjoy the goodies of Canada, eh I have nothing to say to you. I hope you will never have to go through what I had to. Don't get me wrong, I still have a good life in Canada and I am grateful but I paid the price by being completely isolated from my past life. I had to apply for the US visa again because my origin passport is seized by the Canadian government as it should be. If I claim asylum why would I still be using my origin passport? I do not have any reasons to permanently stay in US as I have a great job and great income in Canada. 

Someone asked when did I apply for the US visa, I came to Canada in 2018 and I did not apply for visa until 2022. So I waited 4 years before applying again.

And, BTW, there is no way the interviewing officer "...threw my passport back at me..." -- not possible to do through a hardline interview window!

I saw this comment as well, he did not threw at my face of course, I am not sure how to explain in text but after copying my travel document, he threw back at the counter if this is more clear for you.

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[PaulaCJohnny 713]

5 hours ago, kelly73 said:

 

 

Your situation sounds hard but unfortunately does not makes you a “honest” person in the eyes of any country. You had time and money to “shop” for a place to be, as you said, in the US the option was maybe wait on prison but you have the time and resources to go to Canada expecting a different result.
 

 One part that I don’t understand is why are you isolated in Canada if you claim that part of your family live here and others in your home country, and you have a really good job that probably pay a good salary, why don’t they visit you? Or in a third country?  Do they (the ones in the US) also have impediments to cross the border?

Edited January 25 by PaulaCJohnny

[TBoneTX 45,259]

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[kelly74 0]

19 minutes ago, PaulaCJohnny said:

 

Your situation sounds hard but unfortunately does not makes you a “honest” person in the eyes of any country. You had time and money to “shop” for a place to be, as you said, in the US the option was maybe wait on prison but you have the time and resources to go to Canada expecting a different result.
 

 One part that I don’t understand is why are you isolated in Canada if you claim that part of your family live here and others in your home country, and you have a really good job that probably pay a good salary, why don’t they visit you? Or in a third country?  Do they (the ones in the US) also have impediments to cross the border?

I am finally able to write response again. 

Yes, I definitely get how US finds me dishonest and I respect that. I think my messages are a bit misunderstand, I NEVER expect them to give me a pass into their country easily or issue me any kind of visa easily. I am just asking what is possible and what is not. One of my sibling obtained green card by the green card lotter while the other found himself a sponsorship maybe 10 years ago. I know now people will ask me why didn't I found a sponsor, well my brother is 16 years older than me, he had way more experience than I did so it was easy for him. They did not have the chance to visit me before that's why I am a bit isolated. They have little kids that makes it hard for them to come and visit me. If I cannot enter US again, which is fine at some point they will just visit me. I can live without being able to enter US. I am not sure if I ever will be able to see my parents again since their passports are seized in my origin country. It takes time to make a fresh start in another country that's why I waited this long to make this post.

I don't know why people are being so hard on me, it is not my fault that I was born in a third world country that's been dictated. It is very easy for people that were born in countries like UK, Canada, US, European Countries etc. to speak and tell me what to do. They had no dictatorship issues, "JuST dOn'T TweEt" so easy to say but I know people all go out to protest for BLM or Freedom of speech. Western people never had to be refugees so it is easy to speak. They never had any kind of fear to go to prison so they automatically think everyone else is lying when they say they have issues with their government. There are people literally risking their lives while trying to get out of their country on a boat rather than living there. Just think about it, a person goes into an ocean with a boat, they might just die but they prefer dying rather than living there, and people are insulting this person. It is not the topic but those countries include the countries that were invaded by western countries or colonized in the past. Nobody talks about that right? We do not have the right to live in your country no matter what, we all should die.

I don't need anyone to validate me or believe me, I don't care at all. I explained my story just to be able to see if someone is actually going to tell me what are the possibilities in my situation but I have seen that people prefer to think that I am just an "asylum shopper". I say they prefer because when you do not give all the details, they call you out for it, if you give the details then they just don't believe and still call you out for it. Governments create this asylum program for people like me, so we do not get tortured by our own dictator governments and when we apply for asylum, we get insulted for it. People literally expect us to live under dictatorship and go to prison rather than moving to another country. 


If I did not make this post, most of you wouldn't even be aware that there is someone lives in Canada that went through all this. You wouldn't know because my situation has no impact on you, yet you still hate. If you met me in real life, you people wouldn't be able to talk or ask questions like that. I did not commit any crime, I did not hurt anyone, I did not be trouble for someone.  I only broke a rule as a human once that was created by another human to protect myself. If you are going to hate me for it, go ahead but there is nothing you can do about it. I have proven that I am a good person, I had valid reasons and I will always be a good citizen so Canada granted me the citizenship. If you have any problems with it, you can tell them to shut down the asylum program.

It's either racism or something hateful inside you. 

This will be my last comment ever on this hateful forum and Paula I am not calling you hateful though there are some others I call hateful because I have seen a messed up comment that was removed because I reported it. 

People prefer to tear down a person rather than helping because it is easier. Good luck.

 

[Boiler 45,445]

You were told what to do. But seem to have ignored that.