Jump to content
mam521

Is filing N-600 really necessary?

 Share

30 posts in this topic

Recommended Posts

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
Timeline
16 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Are you sure your kids US citizens then? DOS may decide they're not until proven many years down the line.

 

I totally see how difficult your situation is, but you asked whether it's worth it The more info you're giving, the more I see the need to somehow obtain it to avoid issues in the future. It won't be easy for them to prove how they became citizens based on what you described.

The children are under 18 and have obtained derivative citizenship through my naturalization.  That is not in question.  

 

When they became LPR's, I was able to present to the interviewing officer a notarized statement from their father in addition to the informal Parenting Agreement. It was to a human, though, and they could ask questions (they didn't). 

 

When I got their passports, I was able to provide the DS-3052. 

 

I read earlier today on one of the immigration lawyer sites that a custody agreement is an example of evidence and not necessarily a requirement.  In our case, it would be because the Family Law Act for the jurisdiction the father lives in does not require the Parenting Agreement to be filed in court so long as the guardians can make decisions for the children that are in their best interest.  It's also important to note the agreement was made prior to obtaining both my PR and naturalization.  If this is the case, a notarized letter from their father, like the one we had during our consular interview in addition to our Parenting Agreement, should suffice.  

 

It's really frustrating that there are formalized provisions for passports, but not for this.  This requirement is really discriminatory against parents who can co-parent effectively and don't require, nor should they pay for lawyers and court time.  Honestly, if I had sole custody, I wouldn't even have had to notify their father that I applied for their passports.  By requiring the DS-3052, he is fully aware and provided permission for me to do so.  It makes more sense to have a provision for a case like this where one can prove both parents are onboard with a simple notarized form.  

Montreal IR-1/CR-1 FAQ

 

Montreal IR-1/CR-1 Visa spreadsheet: follow directions at top of page for data to be added

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
Timeline

I have not applied for the N600 for the two younger ones that derived citizenship  through me. Years ago when I was researching it someone mentioned the only time he has ever seen anyone needing more than a passport as proof of USC was for some very high top security clearance.

Both of my now adult kids just renewed their passports without issues. The passports were expired and they still did not need to send my certificate with the applications. My  son said he may apply for the N600 it just to have it, so that is up to him. 

 

I really feel the wave of ppl who come through here also change the stance of the recommendation of the N600. 

 

 

Spoiler

Met Playing Everquest in 2005
Engaged 9-15-2006
K-1 & 4 K-2'S
Filed 05-09-07
Interview 03-12-08
Visa received 04-21-08
Entry 05-06-08
Married 06-21-08
AOS X5
Filed 07-08-08
Cards Received01-22-09
Roc X5
Filed 10-17-10
Cards Received02-22-11
Citizenship
Filed 10-17-11
Interview 01-12-12
Oath 06-29-12

Citizenship for older 2 boys

Filed 03/08/2014

NOA/fee waiver 03/19/2014

Biometrics 04/15/14

Interview 05/29/14

In line for Oath 06/20/14

Oath 09/19/2014 We are all done! All USC no more USCIS

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Ontarkie said:

I have not applied for the N600 for the two younger ones that derived citizenship  through me. Years ago when I was researching it someone mentioned the only time he has ever seen anyone needing more than a passport as proof of USC was for some very high top security clearance.

Both of my now adult kids just renewed their passports without issues. The passports were expired and they still did not need to send my certificate with the applications. My  son said he may apply for the N600 it just to have it, so that is up to him. 

 

I really feel the wave of ppl who come through here also change the stance of the recommendation of the N600. 

 

 

The issues with renewing passports are not so rare:

 

 

A gentleman from Iran also renewed his passport for many years until he started having issues (it was in the news).

 

I think I made my point of this potentially costing a lot more than $1170 in the future. 

 

I won't reply any more to this topic as there's nothing more I can add and it's down to OP to file this or not. If I didn't file as a parent, at least I'd have a conversation with children when they're over 18 to make them aware of this at least.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Mexico
Timeline

"You only get one chance to get N-600 approved. If not, they'll be stuck in limbo."

 

This is very much misleading. You can only file a N-600 once but it is not a one and done thing. If you are denied you can appeal and you can also if you get more evidence is file a motion to reconsider.  Not sure why this keeps getting posted that you only get one chance at it. 

 

My wife came to the US on an F1 visa about 10 years ago.

05/19/2007 Wedding

03/11/2008 Mailed AOS

03/13/3008 Forms Recieved in Chicago

03/19/2008 Checks Cashed

03/21/2008 NOA's received

04/07/2008 Biometrics Appointment in Cincinnati

05/06/2008 I-765 and I-131 Approved

06/06/2008 I-485 Interview in Louisville, KY

06/06/2008 I-485 Approved :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Paul Hanaki said:

"You only get one chance to get N-600 approved. If not, they'll be stuck in limbo."

 

This is very much misleading. You can only file a N-600 once...

So you answered it yourself.

 

4 hours ago, Paul Hanaki said:

If you are denied you can appeal and you can also if you get more evidence is file a motion to reconsider.  Not sure why this keeps getting posted that you only get one chance at it.

The only thing you forget is it's at least another $675 (filing fees). In reality, it would cost significantly more because in most cases, you'd involve a lawyer to win it. And if you lose it: that's it. No way to file a new case. If you miss the deadline for I-290B (I believe that's 30 days) - that's it. 

 

You don't want to get in position when you have to file I-290B. It's an uphill battle requiring 2x or more of money and energy to overcome USCIS's decision.

 

One shot = one case, one petition.

 

It's to remind the filers how serious this is and not to take it lightly.

 

 

Edited by OldUser
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Mexico
Timeline
29 minutes ago, OldUser said:

So you answered it yourself.

 

The only thing you forget is it's at least another $675 (filing fees). In reality, it would cost significantly more because in most cases, you'd involve a lawyer to win it. And if you lose it: that's it. No way to file a new case. If you miss the deadline for I-290B (I believe that's 30 days) - that's it. 

 

You don't want to get in position when you have to file I-290B. It's an uphill battle requiring 2x or more of money and energy to overcome USCIS's decision.

 

One shot = one case, one petition.

 

It's to remind the filers how serious this is and not to take it lightly.

 

 

 

It's not it. There is zero limit and no deadline on the number of motions to reconsider a case. (You are confusing it with an appeal) You also do not need an attorney. The process is pretty simple.  Filing fees for a N-600 is going up to 1,300 in 2024. A motion to reopen is still cheaper than it would be to file another N-600. Not sure why you are giving advice that is not correct.  It is not "One Shot" you have as many shots as you need to get the needed information to immigration. 

My wife came to the US on an F1 visa about 10 years ago.

05/19/2007 Wedding

03/11/2008 Mailed AOS

03/13/3008 Forms Recieved in Chicago

03/19/2008 Checks Cashed

03/21/2008 NOA's received

04/07/2008 Biometrics Appointment in Cincinnati

05/06/2008 I-765 and I-131 Approved

06/06/2008 I-485 Interview in Louisville, KY

06/06/2008 I-485 Approved :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Ghana
Timeline

You are only allowed one N600 filing; it's one shot to me. Filing (and any appeals and motions are still all one case). If appeal fails there is no re-filing of N600.

Edited by nastra30
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Paul Hanaki said:

You also do not need an attorney. The process is pretty simple.  

Though "simple - complicated" is purely subjective, I'm not sure majority of people would perceive this as an easy process. Sure, filing a form might be an easy part, but that's only a fraction of work that goes into winning. If you personally went through experience of appealing / filing I-290B in N-600 and won it after initial denial - please write a DIY guide for community to learn.

 

I don't want to derail thread and only conclude: in my opinion N-600 is necessary and it's important to get it right with initial filing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Mexico
Timeline
4 hours ago, nastra30 said:

You are only allowed one N600 filing; it's one shot to me. Filing (and any appeals and motions are still all one case). If appeal fails there is no re-filing of N600.

 

Person 1- Well they denied my N-600 I don't know what to do now. 

Person 2 - Did you file an appeal within 30 days or file a motion to reconsider?
Person 1 - Nope someone on VJ told me it was a one shot deal. I'm mad because I found the paperwork that they said I needed.

Person 2 - Well I guess you only had one shot so there is nothing you can do. 

My wife came to the US on an F1 visa about 10 years ago.

05/19/2007 Wedding

03/11/2008 Mailed AOS

03/13/3008 Forms Recieved in Chicago

03/19/2008 Checks Cashed

03/21/2008 NOA's received

04/07/2008 Biometrics Appointment in Cincinnati

05/06/2008 I-765 and I-131 Approved

06/06/2008 I-485 Interview in Louisville, KY

06/06/2008 I-485 Approved :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Ghana
Timeline
3 hours ago, Paul Hanaki said:

 

Person 1- Well they denied my N-600 I don't know what to do now. - 

Person 2 - Did you file an appeal within 30 days or file a motion to reconsider? - Person 1 is not so smart to file an appeal because the denial letter will give instructions 
Person 1 - Nope someone on VJ told me it was a one shot deal. I'm mad because I found the paperwork that they said I needed.- if they needed paperwork RFE will be issued. 

Person 2 - Well I guess you only had one shot so there is nothing you can do. - Yup, only one shot in filing N600 because USCIS will never ask you to resubmit N600 or you can't do so yourself

If they need paperwork that wasn't present they'll send RFE and instructions on how to submit RFE. If you don't respond to RFE case will be denied just like any other USCIS case.

However with N600 you can't refill the form again (you can appeal, and again you'll be told how to).

Again filing of N600 is one time (one shot); the person on VJ who told said person isn't wrong. 

Edited by nastra30
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 months later...
  • 2 weeks later...
Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
Timeline
On 5/17/2024 at 9:13 PM, killadocg23 said:

So basically in order for the N-600, attending the oath is necessary? Good info to know. My daughter is a citizen by birth and future children will be too but this is very good info to know for those with kids coming over with them.

Yes.  Anyone over the age of 14 it seems it is.  

Montreal IR-1/CR-1 FAQ

 

Montreal IR-1/CR-1 Visa spreadsheet: follow directions at top of page for data to be added

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...
Country: China
Timeline

I am currently running into this issue. My stepdaughter got her US passport automatically when my wife became a US citizen. 

 

We are applying for another country visa and that country's embassy is asking for my stepdaughters certificate of citizenship as the date she acquired US citizenship is not on her passport. They are not accepting her mom's naturalization certificate as proof.

 

Now I know why the N600 fee is so high - it's probably because the only people that file the N600 absolutely need it in a handful of edge cases. Even if it cost $3000 we'd probably have to bite the bullet and pay. Really bummed about this. 

 

But the point of me posting here was to provide another case where a US passport might not be sufficient (applying for visas as a naturalized US citizen). 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 
Didn't find the answer you were looking for? Ask our VJ Immigration Lawyers.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
- Back to Top -

Important Disclaimer: Please read carefully the Visajourney.com Terms of Service. If you do not agree to the Terms of Service you should not access or view any page (including this page) on VisaJourney.com. Answers and comments provided on Visajourney.com Forums are general information, and are not intended to substitute for informed professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, tax, legal, investment, accounting, or other professional advice. Visajourney.com does not endorse, and expressly disclaims liability for any product, manufacturer, distributor, service or service provider mentioned or any opinion expressed in answers or comments. VisaJourney.com does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney.com recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by contacting us here with a url link to that content. Thank you.
×
×
  • Create New...