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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Germany
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4 hours ago, Boiler said:

A Green Card is for living in the US, not Germany. You become a Legal Permanent Resident, of the US.

 

I really do not see this working but how would she interview anyway in Germany for an Immigrant Visa to the US?

If you are a legal permanent resident in the US but follow your spouse on their military orders/ under SOFA, you are still considered residing stateside despite being Oconus. 

 

We were going through the process in Frankfurt and they are very responsive to inquiries. 

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24 minutes ago, R&OC said:

If you are a legal permanent resident in the US but follow your spouse on their military orders/ under SOFA, you are still considered residing stateside despite being Oconus. 

 

We were going through the process in Frankfurt and they are very responsive to inquiries. 

I realize that but not the situation here.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Germany
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8 hours ago, Boiler said:

I realize that but not the situation here.

He is considered residing in the US while under overseas orders. Wouldn’t one be able to make such argument?

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15 hours ago, Boiler said:

A Green Card is for living in the US, not Germany. You become a Legal Permanent Resident, of the US.

 

I really do not see this working but how would she interview anyway in Germany for an Immigrant Visa to the US?

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As far a your comment about a green card being for living in the US, not Germany,  she will reside in the USA but under military orders and be physically present with me in Germany.  I also maintain a domicile in the USA and am a US resident.  Just working abroad or living abroad temporarily doe snot mean you are giving up your US residency.  In no way are we becoming residents of Germany.  That's why were under TESA and SOFA, it's a temporary work "visa" in essence, not an immigration visa to Germany.

 

This does work.   I have multiple people I personally know who have done this just this.  

 

As far as how she would come to the interview, that's because she will provided with a SOFA card which she can use to live (NOT reside) in Germany.  

 

My only outstanding question here is how to make the best case for consular processing so that I can speed up processing versus the online method.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, R&OC said:

He is considered residing in the US while under overseas orders. Wouldn’t one be able to make such argument?

You can argue anything, but in this case, the spouse does not, and has never, lived in the US with a Green Card.  The OP also has no clear plans to relocate to the US.  IMO, this does not meet exceptional circumstances.  The OP is trying to find a way for the spouse to reside in Germany, not join in the US.   Just my opinion. 

 

Another fact is that the consulate issues visas, not Green Cards.  

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"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

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In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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5 hours ago, megaladon said:

I have multiple people I personally know who have done this just this.

What are their thoughts?  I hope you succeed.  Please keep us updated, thereby expanding the knowledgebase here on VJ.  This is certainly not common here.  Good luck.

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"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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1 hour ago, Crazy Cat said:

You can argue anything, but in this case, the spouse does not, and has never, lived in the US with a Green Card.  The OP also has no clear plans to relocate to the US.  IMO, this does not meet exceptional circumstances.  The OP is trying to find a way for the spouse to reside in Germany, not join in the US.   Just my opinion. 

 

Another fact is that the consulate issues visas, not Green Cards.  

Hi Crazy Cat.  Please let me comment on your points:

1. you stated that my spouse has never lived in the US with a Green Card.   That's why she's getting a Green card to be come a US resident.  I don't quite catch why you would think there is something unusual about that.  The whole point of immigration is to reside in the country you are applying to immigrate to.  Yes it's a visa, and you get a green card as your immigrant (alien) identification card.

2. You have stated the OP has no clear plans to relocate to the US.  You seem to profoundly misunderstand.  I reside in the US already.  I have already stated that repeatedly.  I work and live temporarily in Germany because the US Army has station me here, but I'm 100% a US resident.  I explained this a number of times so I'm not sure why you are claiming the opposite or what you are basing that on.

3. You have stated that this does not meet exceptional circumstances in your opinion.  This is fine to have an opinion, but the entire reason the consulate exists is to serve Americans who are temporarily overseas, so it seems to be their entire purpose is to serve people like me, who are US citizens and residents temporarily serving the country abroad.  Living abroud doesn't mean giving up residency or intending to not return.

 

I'd really appreciate some help with my actual question.  We seem to be going off on unrelated tangents here based some commenters misunderstanding how this works.

 

 

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The Consulate is the sole approval authority.  Good luck. 

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Germany
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The US General Consulate in Frankfurt does indeed issue I-551s (Greencards) for dependents of active military members. It would definitely not fall into the jurisdiction of Germany as military members stationed in Germany are not accounted for. They are not registered, international students or about to hold jobs on the economy etc (all required for residency). Hence, spouse wants indeed join OP on US base (which one could argue is US territory)?

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If you know many other people in your situation who have navigated this situation before then they would be the best to advise you.

 

As I see and I can only go what you have posted so not sure if that is all correct.

 

You are in Germany and have no immediate plans to relocate back to the US, one of the common reasons for exceptional circumstances.

 

Your wife is in some unspecified third Country and cannot enter Germany for reasons that are unclear.

 

You wish to process the I 130 in Frankfurt so she can obtain an Immigrant Visa to enter the US, then obtain a GC, well more immediately a I 551 stamp, which will then allow her to enter Germany. I do not know if Germany requires the Card or the Stamp but that is just a matter of timing.

 

I see 2 issues, the one that seems key is how will she attend the interview in Germany? The other is persuading Frankfurt to handle the case. But if she cannot enter Germany anyway, well.

 

How did the people you know handle this?

 

Presumably she can interview in her home country.

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The US General Consulate in Frankfurt does indeed issue I-551s (Greencards) for dependents of active military members. It would definitely not fall into the jurisdiction of Germany as military members stationed in Germany are not accounted for. They are not registered, international students or about to hold jobs on the economy etc (all required for residency). Hence, spouse wants indeed join OP on US base (which one could argue is US territory)?

Doesn't that require that the spouse is on the military orders? Additionally when we PCSed to Germany in 2004 as a German citizen I had to have a medical in the US to see if I am eligible to travel on my husbands orders and be command sponsored. 

I really hope you will manage to get your wife to Germany, but I think it is not so easy.

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I would contact the consulate and explain in detail about your case. It's very specific so I think the only place that can give you a clear answer is the consulate in Germany. 

 

Please update us once you hear back from them. 

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26-Jul-2016: Married abroad in Russia 👩‍❤️‍👨 See guide here
21-Dec-2016: I-130 filed at Moscow USCIS field office*
29-Dec-2016: I-130 approved! Yay! 🎊 

17-Jan-2017: Case number received

21-Mar-2017: Medical Exam completed

24-Mar-2017: Interview at Embassy - approved! 🎉

29-Mar-2017: CR-1 Visa received (via mail)

02-Apr-2017: USCIS Immigrant (GC) Fee paid

28-Jun-2017: Port of Entry @ PDX 🛩️

21-Jul-2017: No SSN after three weeks; applied in person at the SSA

22-Jul-2017: GC arrived in the mail 📬

31-Jul-2017: SSN arrived via mail, hurrah!

 

*NOTE: The USCIS Field Office in Moscow is now CLOSED as of February 28th, 2019.

 

Removal of Conditions - MSC Service Center

 28-Jun-2019: Conditional GC expires

30-Mar-2019: Eligible to apply for ROC

01-Apr-2019: ROC in the mail to Phoenix AZ lockbox! 📫

03-Apr-2019: ROC packet delivered to lockbox

09-Apr-2019: USCIS cashed check

09-Apr-2019: Case number received via text - MSC 📲

12-Apr-2019: Extension letter arrives via mail

19-Apr-2019: Biometrics letter arrives via mail

30-Apr-2019: Biometrics appointment at local office

26-Jun-2019: Case ready to be scheduled for interview 

04-Sep-2019: Interview was scheduled - letter to arrive in mail

09-Sep-2019: Interview letter arrived in the mail! ✉️

17-Oct-2019: Interview scheduled @ local USCIS  

18-Oct-2019: Interview cancelled & notice ordered*

18-Oct-2019: Case was approved! 🎉

22-Oct-2019: Card was mailed to me 📨

23-Oct-2019: Card was picked by USPS 

25-Oct-2019: 10 year GC Card received in mail 📬

 

*I don't understand this status because we DID have an interview!

 

🇺🇸 N-400 Application for Naturalization (Apr 2020-Jun 2021) 🛂

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Filed during Covid-19 & moved states 1 month after filing

30-Mar-2020: N-400 early filing window opens!

01-Apr-2020: Filed N-400 online 💻 

02-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received online 📃

07-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received via mail

05-May-2020: Moved to another state, filed AR-11 online

05-May-2020: Application transferred to another USCIS field office for review ➡️

15-May-2020: AR-11 request to change address completed

16-Jul-2020: Filed non-receipt inquiry due to never getting confirmation that case was transferred to new field office

15-Oct-2020: Received generic response to non-receipt inquiry, see full response here

10-Feb-2021: Contacted senator's office for help with USCIS

12-Feb-2021: Received canned response from senator's office that case is within processing time 😡

16-Feb-2021: Contacted other senator's office for help with USCIS - still no biometrics

19-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice - canned response from other senator's office 🌐

23-Feb-2021: Interview scheduled - notice to come in the mail

25-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice arrives via mail

01-Mar-2021: Interview notice letter arrives via mail  ✉️ 

29-Mar-2021: Passed interview at local office! Oath Ceremony to be scheduled

13-Apr-2021: Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

04-May-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 Unable to attend due to illness

04-May-2021: Mailed request to reschedule Oath to local office

05-May-2021: "You did not attend your Oath Ceremony" - notice to come in the mail

06-May-2021: Oath Ceremony will be scheduled, date TBA

12-May-2021: Oath Ceremony re-scheduled for June 3rd, then de-scheduled same day 😡 

25-May-2021: New Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

16-Jun-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 - DONE!!

17-Jun-2021: Certificate of Naturalization issued

 

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Also just to add: what country is your wife from and what is her citizenship? It's difficult for us to offer help when we don't know her background or why she has these restrictions. 

🇷🇺 CR-1 via DCF (Dec 2016-Jun 2017) & I-751 ROC (Apr 2019-Oct 2019)🌹

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Info about my DCF Moscow* experience here and here

26-Jul-2016: Married abroad in Russia 👩‍❤️‍👨 See guide here
21-Dec-2016: I-130 filed at Moscow USCIS field office*
29-Dec-2016: I-130 approved! Yay! 🎊 

17-Jan-2017: Case number received

21-Mar-2017: Medical Exam completed

24-Mar-2017: Interview at Embassy - approved! 🎉

29-Mar-2017: CR-1 Visa received (via mail)

02-Apr-2017: USCIS Immigrant (GC) Fee paid

28-Jun-2017: Port of Entry @ PDX 🛩️

21-Jul-2017: No SSN after three weeks; applied in person at the SSA

22-Jul-2017: GC arrived in the mail 📬

31-Jul-2017: SSN arrived via mail, hurrah!

 

*NOTE: The USCIS Field Office in Moscow is now CLOSED as of February 28th, 2019.

 

Removal of Conditions - MSC Service Center

 28-Jun-2019: Conditional GC expires

30-Mar-2019: Eligible to apply for ROC

01-Apr-2019: ROC in the mail to Phoenix AZ lockbox! 📫

03-Apr-2019: ROC packet delivered to lockbox

09-Apr-2019: USCIS cashed check

09-Apr-2019: Case number received via text - MSC 📲

12-Apr-2019: Extension letter arrives via mail

19-Apr-2019: Biometrics letter arrives via mail

30-Apr-2019: Biometrics appointment at local office

26-Jun-2019: Case ready to be scheduled for interview 

04-Sep-2019: Interview was scheduled - letter to arrive in mail

09-Sep-2019: Interview letter arrived in the mail! ✉️

17-Oct-2019: Interview scheduled @ local USCIS  

18-Oct-2019: Interview cancelled & notice ordered*

18-Oct-2019: Case was approved! 🎉

22-Oct-2019: Card was mailed to me 📨

23-Oct-2019: Card was picked by USPS 

25-Oct-2019: 10 year GC Card received in mail 📬

 

*I don't understand this status because we DID have an interview!

 

🇺🇸 N-400 Application for Naturalization (Apr 2020-Jun 2021) 🛂

Spoiler

Filed during Covid-19 & moved states 1 month after filing

30-Mar-2020: N-400 early filing window opens!

01-Apr-2020: Filed N-400 online 💻 

02-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received online 📃

07-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received via mail

05-May-2020: Moved to another state, filed AR-11 online

05-May-2020: Application transferred to another USCIS field office for review ➡️

15-May-2020: AR-11 request to change address completed

16-Jul-2020: Filed non-receipt inquiry due to never getting confirmation that case was transferred to new field office

15-Oct-2020: Received generic response to non-receipt inquiry, see full response here

10-Feb-2021: Contacted senator's office for help with USCIS

12-Feb-2021: Received canned response from senator's office that case is within processing time 😡

16-Feb-2021: Contacted other senator's office for help with USCIS - still no biometrics

19-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice - canned response from other senator's office 🌐

23-Feb-2021: Interview scheduled - notice to come in the mail

25-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice arrives via mail

01-Mar-2021: Interview notice letter arrives via mail  ✉️ 

29-Mar-2021: Passed interview at local office! Oath Ceremony to be scheduled

13-Apr-2021: Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

04-May-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 Unable to attend due to illness

04-May-2021: Mailed request to reschedule Oath to local office

05-May-2021: "You did not attend your Oath Ceremony" - notice to come in the mail

06-May-2021: Oath Ceremony will be scheduled, date TBA

12-May-2021: Oath Ceremony re-scheduled for June 3rd, then de-scheduled same day 😡 

25-May-2021: New Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

16-Jun-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 - DONE!!

17-Jun-2021: Certificate of Naturalization issued

 

🎆 Members new and old: don't forget to fill in your VJ timeline! 🎇 https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/

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It sounds like most people in this forum are unaware of the exception for military to the normal Green Card rules!

I also should clarify that I don't need emergency processing, just consular processing.  I was confusing the two concepts.

I have been consulting with others who have done this so I think I know what is needed by the consulate to approve this track.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Russia
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4 hours ago, megaladon said:

It sounds like most people in this forum are unaware of the exception for military to the normal Green Card rules!

I also should clarify that I don't need emergency processing, just consular processing.  I was confusing the two concepts.

I have been consulting with others who have done this so I think I know what is needed by the consulate to approve this track.

It's very rare that we see it in the DCF forum. However, we have a military related immigration forum which may be of interest to you:

 

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/152-military-immigration-related-discussion/

 

In any case please update us on your outcome as it will be useful to others in the future, should they be in a similar situation. 

🇷🇺 CR-1 via DCF (Dec 2016-Jun 2017) & I-751 ROC (Apr 2019-Oct 2019)🌹

Spoiler

Info about my DCF Moscow* experience here and here

26-Jul-2016: Married abroad in Russia 👩‍❤️‍👨 See guide here
21-Dec-2016: I-130 filed at Moscow USCIS field office*
29-Dec-2016: I-130 approved! Yay! 🎊 

17-Jan-2017: Case number received

21-Mar-2017: Medical Exam completed

24-Mar-2017: Interview at Embassy - approved! 🎉

29-Mar-2017: CR-1 Visa received (via mail)

02-Apr-2017: USCIS Immigrant (GC) Fee paid

28-Jun-2017: Port of Entry @ PDX 🛩️

21-Jul-2017: No SSN after three weeks; applied in person at the SSA

22-Jul-2017: GC arrived in the mail 📬

31-Jul-2017: SSN arrived via mail, hurrah!

 

*NOTE: The USCIS Field Office in Moscow is now CLOSED as of February 28th, 2019.

 

Removal of Conditions - MSC Service Center

 28-Jun-2019: Conditional GC expires

30-Mar-2019: Eligible to apply for ROC

01-Apr-2019: ROC in the mail to Phoenix AZ lockbox! 📫

03-Apr-2019: ROC packet delivered to lockbox

09-Apr-2019: USCIS cashed check

09-Apr-2019: Case number received via text - MSC 📲

12-Apr-2019: Extension letter arrives via mail

19-Apr-2019: Biometrics letter arrives via mail

30-Apr-2019: Biometrics appointment at local office

26-Jun-2019: Case ready to be scheduled for interview 

04-Sep-2019: Interview was scheduled - letter to arrive in mail

09-Sep-2019: Interview letter arrived in the mail! ✉️

17-Oct-2019: Interview scheduled @ local USCIS  

18-Oct-2019: Interview cancelled & notice ordered*

18-Oct-2019: Case was approved! 🎉

22-Oct-2019: Card was mailed to me 📨

23-Oct-2019: Card was picked by USPS 

25-Oct-2019: 10 year GC Card received in mail 📬

 

*I don't understand this status because we DID have an interview!

 

🇺🇸 N-400 Application for Naturalization (Apr 2020-Jun 2021) 🛂

Spoiler

Filed during Covid-19 & moved states 1 month after filing

30-Mar-2020: N-400 early filing window opens!

01-Apr-2020: Filed N-400 online 💻 

02-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received online 📃

07-Apr-2020: NOA 1 - Receipt No. received via mail

05-May-2020: Moved to another state, filed AR-11 online

05-May-2020: Application transferred to another USCIS field office for review ➡️

15-May-2020: AR-11 request to change address completed

16-Jul-2020: Filed non-receipt inquiry due to never getting confirmation that case was transferred to new field office

15-Oct-2020: Received generic response to non-receipt inquiry, see full response here

10-Feb-2021: Contacted senator's office for help with USCIS

12-Feb-2021: Received canned response from senator's office that case is within processing time 😡

16-Feb-2021: Contacted other senator's office for help with USCIS - still no biometrics

19-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice - canned response from other senator's office 🌐

23-Feb-2021: Interview scheduled - notice to come in the mail

25-Feb-2021: Biometrics reuse notice arrives via mail

01-Mar-2021: Interview notice letter arrives via mail  ✉️ 

29-Mar-2021: Passed interview at local office! Oath Ceremony to be scheduled

13-Apr-2021: Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

04-May-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 Unable to attend due to illness

04-May-2021: Mailed request to reschedule Oath to local office

05-May-2021: "You did not attend your Oath Ceremony" - notice to come in the mail

06-May-2021: Oath Ceremony will be scheduled, date TBA

12-May-2021: Oath Ceremony re-scheduled for June 3rd, then de-scheduled same day 😡 

25-May-2021: New Oath Ceremony notice was mailed

16-Jun-2021: Oath Ceremony scheduled 🎆 - DONE!!

17-Jun-2021: Certificate of Naturalization issued

 

🎆 Members new and old: don't forget to fill in your VJ timeline! 🎇 https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/

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