Waiting for a NOA2 from CSC for your I-129F?

[bakofoil 27]

Actually, I think your point is that people should be consistently using the 'received date' in the NOA1 date on the VJ timeline. This is so confusing because the VJ timeline is where people are obtaining data from, so if it's not clear to everyone that it has been agreed that the 'received date' is the one to input rather than the 'notice date' which is essentially meaningless. The data, therefore, is going to be incorrectly ordered if the NOA1 field is the one chosen to order petitions. Hence, some people are further down the list than they should be.

I'm not trying to be difficult here. These receipting delays have caused this problem. I can't imagine it was an issue at all when the received date was basically the same as the NOA1 date.

[chris4gretchen 1]

yes that is exactly my point. when there are no delays the received and notice date are close and it doesnt matter. but when there are delays the notice date can be a month or more later. Using that as the date for NOA1 in VJ timeline puts people much further down the list than they should be. Vj has acknowledged that it should be the received date, but they arent going to change it in the instructions since it all comes out in the wash so to speak. They incorrect ones will have a faster NOA1 to NOA2 timline then the correct entered dates.

For me what is the problem is that the people who go over 6 months from the received date might not know they are over it since they are using the Notice date as the important date. My petition clock is running from my received date, and i will be on the phone with them at day 181 from that.

this is where most people get their information or answers in the DIY petition filing. And i think VJ should instruct them that the clock runs from the received date, not the notice date as it alludes to in the Timeline instructions. as far as the lists here, they are only projections and estimations since no one knows the true volume each month at the service centers to know our true number in waiting or statistical percentage of the filers nationwide.

Chris

Edited October 7, 2007 by chris4gretchen

[bakofoil 27]

yes that is exactly my point. when there are no delays the received and notice date are close and it doesnt matter. but when there are delays the notice date can be a month or more later. Using that as the date for NOA1 in VJ timeline puts people much further down the list than they should be. Vj has acknowledged that it should be the received date, but they arent going to change it in the instructions since it all comes out in the wash so to speak. They incorrect ones will have a faster NOA1 to NOA2 timline then the correct entered dates.

For me what is the problem is that the people who go over 6 months from the received date might not know they are over it since they are using the Notice date as the important date. My petition clock is running from my received date, and i will be on the phone with them at day 181 from that.

this is where most people get their information or answers in the DIY petition filing. And i think VJ should instruct them that the clock runs from the received date, not the notice date as it alludes to in the Timeline instructions. as far as the lists here, they are only projections and estimations since no one knows the true volume each month at the service centers to know our true number in waiting or statistical percentage of the filers nationwide.

Chris

Completely agree with you. Sorry about the confusion!

[calamitka 0]

Statistic is kind of estimation of the reality. Since booszom list is created to help us estimate how much longer we have to wait of course the received date of NOA1 is correct. This what I’ve read on USCIS page in the Adjudicator's Field Manual

10. 11. Order of Processing

a) Routine and Expedited Cases . Generally, applications and petitions should be processed in the order in which they are received. Exceptions can, and should, be made for a number of different reasons, and sometimes those reasons may appear to conflict with one another. Reasons for prioritizing certain applications and petitions over others may relate to:

• A statutory requirement, such as the requirement that joint petitions for removal of conditions under the marriage fraud amendments be interviewed within 90 days of filing and adjudicated within 90 days of being interviewed ( section 216 of the Act), or that L-1 petitions be adjudicated within 30 days of filing (section 214(a)(2)© of the Act);

• USCIS -wide policy pertaining to the type of application or petition being filed, such as The USCIS Director's fiscal year priority that backlogs in a given type of application or petition be reduced to a specified level;

• Current events in the homeland of the applicant or beneficiary, such as a natural disaster or civil war;

• Imminent events which may effect the eligibility of the applicant or petitioner, such as the termination of a program whose duration is limited by statute or the "ageing out" of a dependent,

• A need to coordinate actions with other branches of DHS, or with other agencies in order to meet common goals

• To correct an injustice which may have occurred, or to prevent one which may be about to occur.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?...8ce159d286150e2

K1, K3 certainly are not subject of USCIS Director's fiscal year priority.

In Poland is voting campaign going on. Can I classified this as a natural disaster .

[StillThePrettiest 3]

Natalja and Danno have just updated their timeline to show an approval through CSC on the 5th - congratulations guys

that brings the week's total to 13... not TERRIBLE, but man, not ideal either

[bakofoil 27]

Congrats to Natalja and Danno!

Actually, I've been calculating an average based on the VJ K1 approvals data at CSC. I've basically just used data since August since that's when the slowdown occured. Make of this what you will but remember it does take a while for people to update timelines ...a few who were approved in August have only just added the NOA2 date into their profile.

So, In August there were 60 approvals over 23 dates making an average of 2.6 approvals per day. (These were April/May filers mostly)

In September there were 49 approvals over 14 dates making an average of 3.5 approvals per day. (These were all May filers)

In October there have been 13 approvals so far over 5 days, making an average of 2.6 approvals per day. (These were April/May/June filers)

The total average VJ petitions approved per working day is 2.9, but this is set to increase if October continues to move the way it has so far.

[Bill y Bella 0]

Natalja and Danno have just updated their timeline to show an approval through CSC on the 5th - congratulations guys

that brings the week's total to 13... not TERRIBLE, but man, not ideal either

Congratulations to Natalja & Danno!

They sent their petition on May 15 and received their NOA1 on August 8. Further proof that the NOA1 date should not be used to compare timeline progress or predict adjudication dates. As noted in the post above, USCIS (with some exceptions) processes petitions in the order in which they are received, not by the NOA1 date.

CSC is not processing June, July or August petitions. They are less than half way through May and at their current pace average processing time will continue to increase. But at least they are processing. Apparently VSC still has no adjudicators working on K1's or K3's and our last approval was on September 27.

[StillThePrettiest 3]

I know; I just can't believe the VSC situation (and that the turnaround was so abrupt )

at least we at CSC have a trickle of approvals to keep us happy (well, you know ), but you guys have had nothing for ages...

[Bill y Bella 0]

I don't know where this idea came from that zoomer has his list sorted by NOA1 received date. The only received date that zoomer knows with certainty is his own.

The VJ timeline NOA1 dates that zoomer utilizes are probably a combination of NOA1 hard copy received, notice and priority dates as well as some USCIS online case status petition received dates. (Note that the online received date usually differs from the hard copy received date.) In addition, recently added instructions on the VJ timeline edit page tell members to enter the hard copy notice date as the NOA1 date. This means that VJ is actively encouraging members not to enter the received date on their timelines. (I disagree with VJ on this, but have followed instructions and entered my notice date.)

In my humble opinion, zoomer should sort his list by sent date. Received date normally follows sent date by a few days so the sent date is the best indicator we have of where we all stand in line.

[afterforever 0]

Natalja and Danno have just updated their timeline to show an approval through CSC on the 5th - congratulations guys

that brings the week's total to 13... not TERRIBLE, but man, not ideal either

Hopefully they will at least double that number or many May filers will be at 5 months and counting.

[chris4gretchen 1]

I don't know where this idea came from that zoomer has his list sorted by NOA1 received date. The only received date that zoomer knows with certainty is his own.

The VJ timeline NOA1 dates that zoomer utilizes are probably a combination of NOA1 hard copy received, notice and priority dates as well as some USCIS online case status petition received dates. (Note that the online received date usually differs from the hard copy received date.) In addition, recently added instructions on the VJ timeline edit page tell members to enter the hard copy notice date as the NOA1 date. This means that VJ is actively encouraging members not to enter the received date on their timelines. (I disagree with VJ on this, but have followed instructions and entered my notice date.)

In my humble opinion, zoomer should sort his list by sent date. Received date normally follows sent date by a few days so the sent date is the best indicator we have of where we all stand in line.

in the 2 posts that i linked to in my previous post is where the idea that Bszoomer used received date for his list. In fact i believe you were in that conversation also. He was advising people to use the received date in the VJ timeline instead of the notice date as VJ instructed. but this is such a moot point now and been rehashed so much i refuse to discuss it anymore. the beaten horse is dead.

Chris

Edited October 7, 2007 by chris4gretchen

[bakofoil 27]

My apologies, I made a mistake when posting the average approvals for October. I should clarify that none of the October NOA2 recipients filed in June. I made the mistake because I was viewing a page that filtered NOA1 date rather than sent date.

CSC are, as Bill said, working their way through May petitions right now.

[Bill y Bella 0]

in the 2 posts that i linked to in my previous post is where the idea that Bszoomer used received date for his list. In fact i believe you were in that conversation also. He was advising people to use the received date in the VJ timeline instead of the notice date as VJ instructed. but this is such a moot point now and been rehashed so much i refuse to discuss it anymore. the beaten horse is dead.

Chris

Unfortunatley the poor horse cannot rest in peace as long as you insist on telling people that zoomer sorts his list by NOA1 received date. That is impossible unless he contacts every person on both the CSC & VSC lists and asks them for their NOA1 received date. Something tells me that he has much better things to do with his time.

He has no way of knowing what date members have entered as their NOA1 date. He simply uses the data that VJ has collected and sorts by whatever date happens to be in the field without any consideration as to whether that date is a received, notice, priority or online case status received date.

Yes, some people are entering the NOA1 received date on their timeline but I am confident that just as many or more are entering the notice date because that is the date that VJ is instructing members to use.

[bakofoil 27]

in the 2 posts that i linked to in my previous post is where the idea that Bszoomer used received date for his list. In fact i believe you were in that conversation also. He was advising people to use the received date in the VJ timeline instead of the notice date as VJ instructed. but this is such a moot point now and been rehashed so much i refuse to discuss it anymore. the beaten horse is dead.

Chris

Unfortunatley the poor horse cannot rest in peace as long as you insist on telling people that zoomer sorts his list by NOA1 received date. That is impossible unless he contacts every person on both the CSC & VSC lists and asks them for their NOA1 received date. Something tells me that he has much better things to do with his time.

He has no way of knowing what date members have entered as their NOA1 date. He simply uses the data that VJ has collected and sorts by whatever date happens to be in the field without any consideration as to whether that date is a received, notice, priority or online case status received date.

Yes, some people are entering the NOA1 received date on their timeline but I am confident that just as many or more are entering the notice date because that is the date that VJ is instructing members to use.

Precisely and hence my mistake in thinking there was a June filer approved. The sent date is the only consistent date on the VJ timelines prior to NOA2.

[bakofoil 27]

It is very kind of zoomer to even continue messing with spreadsheets when he has been reunited with his SO. I have felt very awkward about even discussing the list at all, under the circumstances, but it is important that people know the list is sorted by NOA1 date, which may be 'received' for those privy to conversations with zoomer himself but is more likely 'notice' by the majority of people using VJ instructions when filling out the timeline. Therefore, the order of names on the list is incorrect given that many people have reveived NOA1's up to 70 days after filing.

I'm going to risk irking people by repeating here that zoomer does indeed have the correct way of thinking regarding the 'received date' but unless this idea is upheld by VJ admin (which it is not and has been quite fairly explained in the site ideas forum) then NOA1 date means 'notice date' and not anything else.

Apologies for kicking the horse when it is already down

(sorry, there was a problem editing the previous post)

Edited October 8, 2007 by babblesgirl