Abstinence is a crock

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

(CNSNews.com) - Planned Parenthood is under fire after one of its employees was recorded encouraging a student - who was posing as a pregnant minor -- to lie about her age in order to obtain an abortion without the abortion provider having to report the "statutory rape" to the police.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Pag...L20070511d.html

[SteveLaura 0]

OK, it's taken me a while to write this, and the debate has already moved on, but I'll add it anyway. I think if you teach teenagers that they should abstain from sex until they are adult enough to deal with it, you've just lost your audience. Of course, keeping your legs crossed and your jewels in your pants is the safest solution by far. But you're battling raging hormones, peer pressure (and the lies that go with it - how many of the teens who say to their friends that they've "done it" actually have?), the media (mags like Cosmo prmoting 365 different ways to have an orgasm on their front cover - not marketed at kids, granted, but more ammunition to show that sex is adult, and which teen doesn't want to be treated like an adult?), natural curiousity and the mistake that sex = love. I've worked with teenage girls who wanted to get pregnant. They were looking for that unconditional love that they hadn't received themselves in their own family. And there were those who, as has been mentioned here already, thought they were invincible. Wouldn't happen to them. Well, you know what, sometimes it did. #######.

OK, so teach teenagers like you would teach a naive adult. You may wish to have sex. It's a natural instinct that keeps the species alive. Sex at an early age isn't great. In fact, it can be downright embarrassing. If you would prefer to wait until you are ina committed relationship at a later date, or even until your wedding day, that's fine. Don't feel pressurised to have sex, ever. Don't have sex because your mates say they have - they probably haven't, and if they did, it didn't last long and they've lying if they said it was amazing. Don't have sex because (s)he will break up with you if you don't - they're not worth your time. Don't have sex because you want to be an adult. Adults also have mortgages, and you don't want one of those yet, right? So chill. But if you are going to have sex, be careful. Don't get drunk and not know whether you want to or not. You have the right to say 'no' at any time. Use a condom. Don't believe anything anyone says about you can't get pregnant your first time, or if you're standing up, or if you don't ejaculate inside the girl or whatever. Use a condom. If you decide to have sex more frequently, preferably have the same partner. Blokes might think other blokes are studs if they sleep around, but the chances are that the girls won't - they'll think you're a #######. And if blokes do think you're cool, they're dicks too. For girls, alas, the reputation is worse. If sex is frequent, consider the pill. And keep using that condom. You cannot guarantee the monogamy of your partner, or the partners that they may have had previously.

Of course, if it was that easy there would be no teen pregnancies and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But it isn't easy, and I'm already dreading when my step-daughter starts dating. But education is the key, and education that doesn't talk down to teens. It's a difficult balance.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

(CNSNews.com) - Planned Parenthood is under fire after one of its employees was recorded encouraging a student - who was posing as a pregnant minor -- to lie about her age in order to obtain an abortion without the abortion provider having to report the "statutory rape" to the police.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Pag...L20070511d.html

I'm not talking about abortion, I'm talking about preventing pregnancy and STDs so there will be no need for an abortion, which is something Planned Parenthood does very well and for significantly less money than is offered elsewhere.

[Fandango 1,439]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

I have several friends with BC babies. And if the timing is off when you take the pill, or you're on antibiotics, then the pill isn't as effective.

I don't much understand what your issue with my POV is? I'm not just advocating abstinence. I'm advocating condom usage as well. 'oh but more teens get preg than die of aids' is not much of a agument against using a condom.

The pill, to me...is just as impotent a method of TOTAL protection as is the rhythym method. But I'll admit I was exaggerating for emphasis in reply to the claim I was 'promoting ignorance'. Choosing the pill over a condom is the ignorant choice.

Why be half protected whilst putting your health at potential risk when one could choose a condom without having health risks, and at the same time protect against pregnancy AND stds? It's a no brainer to me.

Edited August 3, 2007 by LisaD

[Jenn! 918]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

Thank you!!! I thought it was common knowledge that the pill is more effective than condoms.

http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

(CNSNews.com) - Planned Parenthood is under fire after one of its employees was recorded encouraging a student - who was posing as a pregnant minor -- to lie about her age in order to obtain an abortion without the abortion provider having to report the "statutory rape" to the police.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Pag...L20070511d.html

I'm not talking about abortion, I'm talking about preventing pregnancy and STDs so there will be no need for an abortion, which is something Planned Parenthood does very well and for significantly less money than is offered elsewhere.

Im talking about planned parenthood! Not abortion. Thought it was clear.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

The pill is the most effective form of BIRTH control

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...ol/the-pill.htm

Effectiveness

The pill is one of the most effective reversible methods of birth control. Of 100 women who use the pill, only eight will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Fewer than one will become pregnant with perfect use.** Maybe slightly less effective for overweight women.

The condom is the most effective prevention of STDs but not pregnancy

Effectiveness

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-con...trol/condom.htm

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** More protection against pregnancy is possible if condoms are used with a spermicide foam, cream, jelly, suppository, or film.

*Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct.

**Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct.

Equating the pill with the rhythm method is kind of silly.

I have several friends with BC babies. And if the timing is off when you take the pill, or you're on antibiotics, then the pill isn't as effective.

I don't much understand what your issue with my POV is? I'm not just advocating abstinence. I'm advocating condom usage as well. 'oh but more teens get preg than die of aids' is not much of a agument against using a condom.

The pill, to me...is just as impotent a method of TOTAL protection as is the rhythym method. But I'll admit I was exaggerating for emphasis in reply to the claim I was 'promoting ignorance'. Choosing the pill over a condom is the ignorant choice.

Why be half protected whilst putting your health at potential risk when one could choose a condom without having health risks, and at the same time protect against pregnancy AND stds?

My point is that pills are the most effective form of BIRTH control. Not fool-proof, but the most effective. The rhythm method is the least effective. Claiming they are equal for preventing PREGNANCY is completely absurd.

Of course they don't prevent STDs. Not using condoms whilst not in a monogomous relationship is russian roulette. But condoms are pretty poor protection against PREGNANCY for teenages, because most don't use them correctly.

I used to work for the British equivalent of Planned Parenthood and advised people of all ages on their options for birth control. I also saw a lot of people who wound up pregnant who didn't want to be. There were far more people who did this because they used a condom than used a pill.

[Caladan 19]

No one is saying teach the pill instead of condoms, LisaD. You keep insisting that that's what we're arguing, or that if you tell someone 'here's a pill' they're go 'yippie! no condoms!'

[Fandango 1,439]

No one is saying teach the pill instead of condoms, LisaD. You keep insisting that that's what we're arguing, or that if you tell someone 'here's a pill' they're go 'yippie! no condoms!'

Well, since the argument that was started was that I was promoting ignorance for advocating condoms and not advocating BCPs, that's how this whole debate was started.

I'm going to wrap this up because I've got to get to the office....condoms offer better protection in a more comprehensive way (protect from STDs), have no physical side effects to either party (providing no latex allergy, lol), are more effective in many instances (on antibiotics, for one)....and for that reason, is a MUCH better form of bc than the pill.

BBL peeps

[Dr_LHA 3]

No, sir...DrLHA....I will not condone nor advocate bcp in young girls as opposed to promoting the usage of a condom.

Did you miss the point where I advocated condom use and pill as a backup? Does anyone actually read replies anymore or do they already have their half-assed rebuttals already queued up?

Well, since the argument that was started was that I was promoting ignorance for advocating condoms and not advocating BCPs, that's how this whole debate was started.

Wrong. I argued against you saying you didn't want to teach kids about the pill at all, I never said that the pill should be "advocated". My stance has always been: Teach kids about all options, and the pros and cons of those options. I'll say it now if you don't believe me: Condoms are a better option.

Edited August 3, 2007 by Dr_LHA

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

If a teenager wants maximum protection I would advise using both.

Unfortunately, many many teenagers do not use a condom correctly and the failure rate for prevention of pregnancy increases significantly. As a protection against pregnancy, the condom is most effective when used with a spermicide. Unfortunately, that actually decreases its effectiveness for avoiding STDs and HIV.

[Fandango 1,439]

No, sir...DrLHA....I will not condone nor advocate bcp in young girls as opposed to promoting the usage of a condom.

Did you miss the point where I advocated condom use and pill as a backup? Does anyone actually read replies anymore or do they already have their half-assed rebuttals already queued up?

I'm not talking about your views on what method is best....you said I was 'promoting ignorance' and I'm explaining why I feel you're wrong.

I mean really. Talk about a wind up!

[Dr_LHA 3]

I'm not talking about your views on what method is best....you said I was 'promoting ignorance' and I'm explaining why I feel you're wrong.

So did you not suggest that teenagers should not be taught about the pill then?

[Caladan 19]

And even with antibiotics taken into account, the pill is more effective at preventing pregnancy than condoms. There is actual honest-to-AMA data on this. I think condoms should be promoted more heavily because they do prevent against disease and they're a lot cheaper. But it's not a zero-sum game.