House OKs prescription drug imports

[KarenCee 3]

The very old are takin care of= medicare!

Welfare takes care of the young!

Go spend some time at your local emergency room and watch what happens!

With all due respect Marc, but...Medicare does NOT take care of the old. Not the way it should. I watched my beloved mother have to decide monthly what prescriptions or what doctor could she afford to see for the month. She eventually died from CANCER. Do you personally have any experience with Medicare?

Welfare doesn't take care of everyone's young...it never took care of my child because I refused to use it. Do you personally have experience with the welfare system? Not everyone gets welfare or other types of assistance in this country either...some people just aren't poor enough.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Do we slaughter horses for human consumption in theis country? Oh. My. Gawd.

it's shipped out of the country.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Do we slaughter horses for human consumption in theis country? Oh. My. Gawd.

it's shipped out of the country.

Yep, the Europeans prize American Horsemeat like Americans prize Japanese Kobe Beef. Personally I don't see the problem with people killing horses for food. This is mainly because I don't see the difference between horses, pigs, sheep, cows, chickens or any other animal. Killing is killing, as long as its done humanely. If you don't like it, become a vegetarian. Personally I think people whining about killing horses and while tucking into a steak are hypocrits.

[Reba 2]

The joke is that depending on your insurance coverage you can pay vastly differing amounts of money for your prescription drugs. That is scandalous IMO - just as its scandalous the way the government thus far has consistently ruled against the consumer by making it illegal for them to buy their drugs cheaper from the Canadian system. Given that some of the drugs are researched and developed in Europe it seems hard to justify how once they reach the US market they are subject to a several-fold price increase.

Not to mention the scare mongers who said that getting prescription drugs from Canada is dangerous because you just don't know what's in it! Its the exact same freakin' stuff as here in the US, just with a lower price tag!

As for the horse meat, its just meat. How is it so different to slaughter a horse and eat it as opposed to a cow, or pig, or lamb or chicken or or or? Making it illegal is just rediculous IMO. No its not common in the American diet to eat horse, but it may be in other countries. What's the big deal? Meat is meat, no matter what animal it comes from. If its ok to kill one animal for food, why not another?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The joke is that depending on your insurance coverage you can pay vastly differing amounts of money for your prescription drugs. That is scandalous IMO - just as its scandalous the way the government thus far has consistently ruled against the consumer by making it illegal for them to buy their drugs cheaper from the Canadian system. Given that some of the drugs are researched and developed in Europe it seems hard to justify how once they reach the US market they are subject to a several-fold price increase.

Not to mention the scare mongers who said that getting prescription drugs from Canada is dangerous because you just don't know what's in it! Its the exact same freakin' stuff as here in the US, just with a lower price tag!

There's no moral ethical justification for putting profit ahead of care that way - considering that there are people out there who are having to make the choice between buying their medication and buying food.

It puts the well-being of insurance companies ahead of the patient - hard to see how that's in the general best interests of the American public forcing people to pay inflated prices for something they could buy more cheaply elsewhere.

[Cassie 8]

The measure also seeks to block the practice of slaughtering horses for human consumption by making it illegal to transport or export horse for that purpose. The House last year passed a bill banning horse slaughter for human consumption, but the Senate failed to act.

OK, Steve, I know you are posting this because of the prescription drug side of it (Or I assume b/c of the post title) but the above caught my attention. Do we slaughter horses for human consumption in theis country? Oh. My. Gawd.

And actually, I can see both sides of the prescription drug issue. Prescription drug prices are insane in this country (as is health care...but that's a whole new ball o wax) but at the same time, you don't want to allow for a tidal wave of counterfeiting either...especially when the people who would be most affected are the ones we really need to protect...the very old and the very young. Interesting post though. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

The very old are takin care of= medicare!

Welfare takes care of the young!

Go spend some time at your local emergency room and watch what happens!

Speaking as someone who has working in home health care, I can confidently say that statement is a crock.

So ,what is your answer to this problem? You gonna spend my money to solve it? Remember nothin comes for free.

Cut out 99% of the hoops and red tape so that people who really and truly need the care and medicines get them in a timely and efficient manner. And get rid of the head-firmly-wedged-up-the-butt-attitude that the US has the best health care system in the world and start demanding a tighter rein on pharmaceutical and insurance companies who are costing you more than you know.

Im sure the government will deliver heathcare in a timely manner! To be dependent on someone is foolish and you know it!

They don't, and that's the problem. There are lots of examples of seniors who are on a fixed income and on Medicare/Medicaid and can't afford their life-saving medicines. We had to deal with that all the time. People shouldn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. And if you are naive enough to think that your health insurance company has got your back, well then!

Give me leave Sir to remark the duty I owe to my fellow creatures and as a true patriot to my country to remind you at the certain calamity that must befall us if the Militia are thus continued to be cawled [called] from their families. If they are cawled [called] one month or six weeks from their farms they can put no spring grain in the ground and the consequence will be that their families must inevitably suffer the famine even threatens before the ensuing harvest when there is but little sown that can be rept [reaped] if the farmers are prevented from putting in spring grain the famine will undoubted be dreadful.”

Your whinin is amazing!

The extracts below from a poster printed in 1817 show the pensions payable to minors left orphans by the war, war widows and militiamen disabled on active service. Of particular interest here is the predominance of disease over battle wounds as causes of death. Overall 171 men serving in the militia were listed on this document as having died on service during the war. Of these 137 died of various diseases contracted while on duty; 25 were killed in action; and 9 from wounds received in battle or through an accident while on duty. Unsanitary conditions and poor food were major contributors to the death toll.

Yeah? Look up ! Your complaints mean nothin to me! Live their life, then come a bitchin!

If your not familiar with history maybe you should get closer to it! Your impressions are false. Nothin is free.

What the heck does this poster from 1817 have to do with anything that has been mentioned in this thread?

Live their life? Oh ok, do you really want to go there? I was part of the system that provides healthcare to people who were homebound -- many of them elderly, many of them on fixed incomes, many of them alone or with part time caregivers. Our agency specializes in Medicare patients. Not a week went by where the field nursing staff would come back to home base frustrated because they had patients who needed medicines that Medicare wouldn't cover or the alloted amount of visits that Medicare allowed were soon going to be up and their patients still needed care. They would spend precious time on the phone to other charities trying to find a way to get the perscriptions their patients needed, which SHOULDN"T HAVE TO HAPPEN. Maybe the import of cheaper drugs will help in these kinds of situations, dunno.

BTW, I graduated from university with a degree in history, do you really want to go there?

[almaty 19]

Do we slaughter horses for human consumption in theis country? Oh. My. Gawd.

it's shipped out of the country.

The measure also seeks to block the practice of slaughtering horses for human consumption by making it illegal to transport or export horse for that purpose. The House last year passed a bill banning horse slaughter for human consumption, but the Senate failed to act.

#######??? trigger?

Edited August 3, 2007 by almaty

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The measure also seeks to block the practice of slaughtering horses for human consumption by making it illegal to transport or export horse for that purpose. The House last year passed a bill banning horse slaughter for human consumption, but the Senate failed to act.

OK, Steve, I know you are posting this because of the prescription drug side of it (Or I assume b/c of the post title) but the above caught my attention. Do we slaughter horses for human consumption in theis country? Oh. My. Gawd.

And actually, I can see both sides of the prescription drug issue. Prescription drug prices are insane in this country (as is health care...but that's a whole new ball o wax) but at the same time, you don't want to allow for a tidal wave of counterfeiting either...especially when the people who would be most affected are the ones we really need to protect...the very old and the very young. Interesting post though. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

The very old are takin care of= medicare!

Welfare takes care of the young!

Go spend some time at your local emergency room and watch what happens!

Speaking as someone who has working in home health care, I can confidently say that statement is a crock.

So ,what is your answer to this problem? You gonna spend my money to solve it? Remember nothin comes for free.

Cut out 99% of the hoops and red tape so that people who really and truly need the care and medicines get them in a timely and efficient manner. And get rid of the head-firmly-wedged-up-the-butt-attitude that the US has the best health care system in the world and start demanding a tighter rein on pharmaceutical and insurance companies who are costing you more than you know.

Im sure the government will deliver heathcare in a timely manner! To be dependent on someone is foolish and you know it!

They don't, and that's the problem. There are lots of examples of seniors who are on a fixed income and on Medicare/Medicaid and can't afford their life-saving medicines. We had to deal with that all the time. People shouldn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. And if you are naive enough to think that your health insurance company has got your back, well then!

Give me leave Sir to remark the duty I owe to my fellow creatures and as a true patriot to my country to remind you at the certain calamity that must befall us if the Militia are thus continued to be cawled [called] from their families. If they are cawled [called] one month or six weeks from their farms they can put no spring grain in the ground and the consequence will be that their families must inevitably suffer the famine even threatens before the ensuing harvest when there is but little sown that can be rept [reaped] if the farmers are prevented from putting in spring grain the famine will undoubted be dreadful.”

Your whinin is amazing!

The extracts below from a poster printed in 1817 show the pensions payable to minors left orphans by the war, war widows and militiamen disabled on active service. Of particular interest here is the predominance of disease over battle wounds as causes of death. Overall 171 men serving in the militia were listed on this document as having died on service during the war. Of these 137 died of various diseases contracted while on duty; 25 were killed in action; and 9 from wounds received in battle or through an accident while on duty. Unsanitary conditions and poor food were major contributors to the death toll.

Yeah? Look up ! Your complaints mean nothin to me! Live their life, then come a bitchin!

If your not familiar with history maybe you should get closer to it! Your impressions are false. Nothin is free.

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on this topic - using feel good rhetoric to dismiss the inequality in healthcare provision (i.e. a very real and significant problem affecting thousands of Americans).

[Dr_LHA 3]

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on this topic - using feel good rhetoric to dismiss the inequality in healthcare provision (i.e. a very real and significant problem affecting thousands of Americans).

Millions more like.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on this topic - using feel good rhetoric to dismiss the inequality in healthcare provision (i.e. a very real and significant problem affecting thousands of Americans).

Millions more like.

Apparently those people just aren't 'tough enough'. "Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" might sound like a great life philosophy but we can't go around pretending that the inequalities don't exist or that its an issue that we can't (or shouldn't) do something about.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Apparently those people just aren't 'tough enough'. "Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" might sound like a great life philosophy but we can't go around pretending that the inequalities don't exist or that its an issue that we can't (or shouldn't) do something about.

Yes, well its all part of this "F*** you" attitude that seems to be prevalent with some people. If you merely suggest that supporting people who fall in the healthcare gap might be a good idea you're a "Bleeding heart liberal" or worse, a commie. The usual argument is "why should my taxes pay for this", which is a nice argument and all, but if these people actually took a look at what their taxes do pay for (wars, subsidising profitable companies, arming foriegn powers) they might want to reconsider their priorities.

I'm all for the pull-up by yourself up by your bootstraps mentality, and I hate the culture of sponging off the state that exists in my home country, but you have to provide a safety net of healthcare for people who are hard working, but can't afford the high cost of insurance.

What ever happened to the "Compassionate Conservative" that's what I want to know.

Edited August 3, 2007 by Dr_LHA

[almaty 19]

Apparently those people just aren't 'tough enough'. "Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" might sound like a great life philosophy but we can't go around pretending that the inequalities don't exist or that its an issue that we can't (or shouldn't) do something about.

Yes, well its all part of this "F*** you" attitude that seems to be prevalent with some people. If you merely suggest that supporting people who fall in the healthcare gap might be a good idea you're a "Bleeding heart liberal" or worse, a commie. The usual argument is "why should my taxes pay for this", which is a nice argument and all, but if these people actually took a look at what their taxes do pay for (wars, subsidising profitable companies, arming foriegn powers).

I'm all for the pull-up by yourself up by your bootstraps mentality, and I hate the culture of sponging off the state that exists in my home country, but you have to provide a safety net of healthcare for people who are hard working, but can't afford the high cost of insurance.

What ever happened to the "Compassionate Conservative" that's what I want to know.

of course, they don't say a word on the billions being poured into Bush's Iraq clusterfuck..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I agree people should stand up for themselves - but at the same time I don't think its unreasonable to demand reforms to what is a very unfair system.

Apparently those people just aren't 'tough enough'. "Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" might sound like a great life philosophy but we can't go around pretending that the inequalities don't exist or that its an issue that we can't (or shouldn't) do something about.

Yes, well its all part of this "F*** you" attitude that seems to be prevalent with some people. If you merely suggest that supporting people who fall in the healthcare gap might be a good idea you're a "Bleeding heart liberal" or worse, a commie. The usual argument is "why should my taxes pay for this", which is a nice argument and all, but if these people actually took a look at what their taxes do pay for (wars, subsidising profitable companies, arming foriegn powers).

I'm all for the pull-up by yourself up by your bootstraps mentality, and I hate the culture of sponging off the state that exists in my home country, but you have to provide a safety net of healthcare for people who are hard working, but can't afford the high cost of insurance.

What ever happened to the "Compassionate Conservative" that's what I want to know.

of course, they don't say a word on the billions being poured into Bush's Iraq clusterfuck..

Or as road bridges fall apart with apparently no money to pay for them.

[Dr_LHA 3]

I agree people should stand up for themselves - but at the same time I don't think its unreasonable to demand reforms to what is a very unfair system.

Well I ain't payin' for it!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That whole line of argument seems to me to be (for lack of a better phrase) some sort of economic feudalism "As long as I'm ok everyone can jump off a cliff".