Dual Citizen or not?

[OldUser 6,624]

41 minutes ago, Visitor User said:

I have NICOP so I don’t need a Visa to enter Pakistan for whatever time I want.

Looks like being a Pakistani citizen is a requirement to have NICOP - https://www.nadra.gov.pk/identity/identity-nicop/

 

If you renounce Pakistan's citizenship I'm not 100% sure you'll be eligible for NICOP.

Edited October 16, 2023 by OldUser

[Visitor User 253]

14 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Looks like being a Pakistani citizen is a requirement to have NICOP - https://www.nadra.gov.pk/identity/identity-nicop/

 

If you renounce Pakistan's citizenship I'm not 100% sure you'll be eligible for NICOP.

Oh ok.

Has anyone had to join the military in Pakistan being a dual citizen?

[kas123 2]

NICOP IS dual-nationality. NICOP is just a CNIC where "country of stay" is some country other than Pakistan.

 

So really two questions:

1) Is there any advantage of having a passport in addition to NICOP. NO.

2) Should you renounce Pakistani citizenship and get a POC card instead. Up to you. The main reason people do this is if they are very wealthy - Pakistan has reduced the definition of tax residence to only 4 months for Pakistani citizens, and Pakistani tax authorities are starting to get very aggressive. So if you have a lot of assets, getting a POC card instead of NICOP might have an advantage. Otherwise, don't bother.

[Visitor User 253]

1 hour ago, kas123 said:

NICOP IS dual-nationality. NICOP is just a CNIC where "country of stay" is some country other than Pakistan.

 

So really two questions:

1) Is there any advantage of having a passport in addition to NICOP. NO.

2) Should you renounce Pakistani citizenship and get a POC card instead. Up to you. The main reason people do this is if they are very wealthy - Pakistan has reduced the definition of tax residence to only 4 months for Pakistani citizens, and Pakistani tax authorities are starting to get very aggressive. So if you have a lot of assets, getting a POC card instead of NICOP might have an advantage. Otherwise, don't bother.

I only plan on going to Pakistan for vacations. So let my Pakistan passport expire and keep renewing NICOP?

Edited October 20, 2023 by Visitor User

[OldUser 6,624]

8 minutes ago, Visitor User said:

I only plan on going to Pakistan for vacations. So let my Pakistan passport expire and keep renewing NICOP?

Citizenship does not stop with expired passport. Many Americans (and I'm sure many Pakistanis) do not have passports of their countries, though they're citizens.

Some countries require their citizens to enter and leave the country on their passport. E.g. USA requires US citizens to enter and leave USA on US passport even if they have other citizenships. I'm not sure if Pakistan requires their citizens to enter Pakistan on Pakistan's passport. You may need to research it.

[Visitor User 253]

8 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Citizenship does not stop with expired passport. Many Americans (and I'm sure many Pakistanis) do not have passports of their countries, though they're citizens.

Some countries require their citizens to enter and leave the country on their passport. E.g. USA requires US citizens to enter and leave USA on US passport even if they have other citizenships. I'm not sure if Pakistan requires their citizens to enter Pakistan on Pakistan's passport. You may need to research it.

True it doesn’t. NICOP is good enough to enter Pakistan and exit. 

[OldUser 6,624]

11 minutes ago, Visitor User said:

True it doesn’t. NICOP is good enough to enter Pakistan and exit. 

Looks like you're right:

 

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/123363/is-it-mandatory-for-a-dual-citizen-to-have-a-nicop-to-enter-exit-pakistan

 

I don't see the reason to renew Pakistani's passport in this case unless you have other reasons doing it.

[Visitor User 253]

21 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Looks like you're right:

 

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/123363/is-it-mandatory-for-a-dual-citizen-to-have-a-nicop-to-enter-exit-pakistan

 

I don't see the reason to renew Pakistani's passport in this case unless you have other reasons doing it.

Yes. 

[Visitor User 253]

What are others doing that are from Pakistan?

[Chancy 6,241]

*** Moved from Passports sub-forum to the Asia: South regional forum -- original topic is about citizenship other than US ***

 

[Visitor User 253]

26 minutes ago, Chancy said:

*** Moved from Passports sub-forum to the Asia: South regional forum -- original topic is about citizenship other than US ***

 

Thanks.

[pm5k 129]

On 10/16/2023 at 6:31 PM, OldUser said:

Looks like being a Pakistani citizen is a requirement to have NICOP - https://www.nadra.gov.pk/identity/identity-nicop/

 

If you renounce Pakistan's citizenship I'm not 100% sure you'll be eligible for NICOP.

NICOPs are ID cards given to CITIZENS. 

[pm5k 129]

On 10/22/2023 at 5:31 PM, Visitor User said:

What are others doing that are from Pakistan?

The majority of people keep their Pakistani citizenship unintentionally.  That is to say, most assume that it went away when they naturalize in the US, but this is not true.  So between those cases, and those who choose to maintain NICOPs, the majority do not renounce their Pakistani citizenship. 

[Boiler 45,466]

I have never come across this and I would think US immigrants are somewhat different to say UK, actually quite the opposite.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Boiler

[OldUser 6,624]

23 minutes ago, pm5k said:

NICOPs are ID cards given to CITIZENS. 

That's exactly what I said?