Editor fired after publication of Islam cartoons

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

[SteveNanik 0]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

That is right! We do not get the whole story with the media.

[Nooner 0]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Pretty much says it all doesnt it?

It gets worse:

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About 500 protesters who gathered in London on Friday carried signs with slogans such as: "Freedom of speech, go to hell" and "Kill, kill Denmark!"

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As they walked through the British capital, they shouted: "What do we want? Jihad! [holy war!] When do we want it? Now!"

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"The only way this will be resolved is if those who are responsible are turned over so they can be punished by Islamic law, so that they can be executed," Abu Ibraheem, a 26-year-old protester in the British march, told the Associated Press. "There are no apologies ... Those responsible would have to be killed."

these guys are fvcking morons. if they feel that way - they should move to afghanistan and attempt to join the ranks of the now relatively disfunctional taliban.

Pretty much says it all doesnt it?

It gets worse:

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About 500 protesters who gathered in London on Friday carried signs with slogans such as: "Freedom of speech, go to hell" and "Kill, kill Denmark!"

...

As they walked through the British capital, they shouted: "What do we want? Jihad! [holy war!] When do we want it? Now!"

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"The only way this will be resolved is if those who are responsible are turned over so they can be punished by Islamic law, so that they can be executed," Abu Ibraheem, a 26-year-old protester in the British march, told the Associated Press. "There are no apologies ... Those responsible would have to be killed."

and i happen to be a muslim who too is offended by the caricture's - however, would like to ask any and all muslims, capitalizing on a phrase made popular by christians, but modified - 'what would mohammed (pbuh) do?'

Taking an uneducated guess, I'd say phoning in bomb threats and masking up and garbbing a gun to threaten the lives of innocent people would not be on his action plan. Once that is understood and lived, such cartoons won't be out there. Simply because they wouldn't have any point. Unfortunately, as the state of affairs is currently, they do...

brings me great pleasure to see that someone is able to clearly differentiate the messeage from the messenger - the followers from the actual faith.........

i agree that the cartoon would not have a point if certain muslims hadn't acted in a certain way - however the cartoon could have been done in many ways without overstepping religious sensitivities. no one would raise all of hell if the caricuture was meant to depict a random current day religious muslim figure - or a generic imam - however it is the actual depiction of the prophet that is sore point.......

And I will bet that all their pics are with the right people! GO USA!!!!!

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

There are also Europeans and Americans who think the cartoons are distasteful and pointless unless meant as provocation. Nevertheless, those are not the voices we hear and most likely those are not the voices broadcast by the Middle Eastern or Southeast Asian media. You might as well say prove that Western values are about peace and understanding of cultures. Instead we see the likes of Samuel Huntington or George W. Bush beating the drum of culture clashes; it's "us" against "them," it's "civilization" against "savagery," and it's "modernity" against "medievalism." And the Western media is following the mantra of contrast and contradictions in the same way as the media in the Muslim world.

Additionally, it's of course all about sensation and what is more sensational than a group of turban-wearing brownish people burning European or American flags? What's sensational about some moderate Muslim going on TV and telling people to chill? Has anyone considered why we didn't see this uproar in September?

The whole affair is ridiculous and the way it escalates further every day on BOTH sides is even more ridiculous. The world is full of idiots and there is no reason to congratulate either side on their hate; doing so will just fuel the fires of extremism.

And I will bet that all their pics are with the right people! GO USA!!!!!

Just out of curiosity: and how does all this relate to the USA?

[Jaylen Brit 0]

Yes really it should be GO Denmark!

Also todays newspaper is just tomorrows cat litter liner - if this had been ignored (the 'we are above commenting on this stupidity from ignorant cartoonists' stance from the faithful) then it would probably never have been noticed by most of the world.

As it is, those who are protesting have ensured the entire globe has now seen it, making it more, and not less, offensive.

I despair of common sense somtimes..

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am sorry if you feel I have misrepresented your views, and I apologize if I have. Perhaps if I expand upon my logical progression, you could point out the flaw. Here is the quote to which I refer:

Any questioning of or attempt to do objective studies of the Holocaust is a jailable offense in most European countries. (What about that much-lauded "freedom of speech," ET ? )

I believe that had you not referred to forbidden studies on the holocaust as "objective," I would have no grounds for my accusations. However, you did.

I don't think there's anything wrong with "objective studies" of the Holocaust, but I do have an issue with

anyone who "questions" it. Surely some people may not realise the depth of the horror, but any attempts

to "question" the Holocaust today are tantamount to utter ignorance and stupidity.

Exactly, and she questioned it by stating that banned studies (those which deny the holocaust) are objective.

That's how I read it, too. I am not sure that there was another way of reading it...

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Also todays newspaper is just tomorrows cat litter liner - if this had been ignored (the 'we are above commenting on this stupidity from ignorant cartoonists' stance from the faithful) then it would probably never have been noticed by most of the world.

As it is, those who are protesting have ensured the entire globe has now seen it, making it more, and not less, offensive.

Very good point. I understand that the cartoons originally appeared back in September last year. Took a whole 4 months for that to be made known to the rest of the world. And it sure wasn't that Danish newspaper that made it known and ensured the re-printing of those cartoons around the world...

Edited February 4, 2006 by ET-US2004

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I must admit that after days of protests and the most violent threats, the manifestation of one German captured and released, property damage in the West Bank, and the Danish embassy in Syria being set alight isn't that bad. I suspect the first two would have occurred irrespective of this controversy anyhow. It's quite possible that a bomb may go off in Copenhagen tomorrow, but for now, I'm rather impressed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

Real and indisputable facts eh? The media isn't truth, merely an interpretation of it. What we see on TV isn't all there is, and we should never accept it as such.

Again, there is a big difference between moderate muslims, not only in the middle east but in Europe and the US, and the US who's views are rarely, if ever communicated in the news media. That's not necessarily due to desire against speaking out - but because the media chooses to focus its eye predominantly on the fundamentalist elements.

Here's an article from todays news in which a British muslim leader expresses outrage over the actions of the protesters. Is this man a 'west-hating' fundamentalist?

Edited February 4, 2006 by Fishdude

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

It makes me laugh when anything said remotely related to Muslim is negative...someone always pulls out the Jewish/Israeli card holds it up and makes a comparison. Why is that?

It happens every time there is a thread like this. It's just a diversion. Sometimes Jews, Christians or even Santa Claus. Anyone really. Just to divert from the truth.

[desert_fox 32]

Let em riot all they want.......it would get boring after a while.

Just shows you how easy it is to make anyone believe almost anything in the name of religion.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

Real and indisputable facts eh? The media isn't truth, merely an interpretation of it. What we see on TV isn't all there is, and we should never accept it as such.

Again, there is a big difference between moderate muslims, not only in the middle east but in Europe and the US, and the US who's views are rarely, if ever communicated in the news media. That's not necessarily due to desire against speaking out - but because the media chooses to focus its eye predominantly on the fundamentalist elements.

Here's an article from todays news in which a British muslim leader expresses outrage over the actions of the protesters. Is this man a 'west-hating' fundamentalist?

So, the thugs spreading violence and hate aren't real people? They're just actors employed by the media?

[almaty 19]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

Real and indisputable facts eh? The media isn't truth, merely an interpretation of it. What we see on TV isn't all there is, and we should never accept it as such.

Again, there is a big difference between moderate muslims, not only in the middle east but in Europe and the US, and the US who's views are rarely, if ever communicated in the news media. That's not necessarily due to desire against speaking out - but because the media chooses to focus its eye predominantly on the fundamentalist elements.

Here's an article from todays news in which a British muslim leader expresses outrage over the actions of the protesters. Is this man a 'west-hating' fundamentalist?

So, the thugs spreading violence and hate aren't real people? They're just actors employed by the media?

no...the do not represent the majority muslim population..just like the Klan does not represent christians..or the church in Kansas that protests at service men killed in iraq burial

[46]

Why don't promient muslim leaders show true outrage and denounce the violence of muslims killing innocent people in the name of thier God? To be such a peacful religion, it certainly is the most violent in all of the world. As such, it is worthy of such accurate depictions as a political statement.

Muslims have much work to do to change the image us non-muslims have of the faith.

Sighs... Muslim leaders and do and have shown outrage. The fact that our media is very selective about what (and who) they choose to air does not change that fact. What it does do however, is create a mistaken impression that religious fanaticism is dominant, which I don't think is necessarily accurate. There are moderate muslims, just as there are moderate christians.

I fully believe there are moderate muslims...unfortunately for the faith they are not the ones we hear from. They are not the ones making media reports every damn day of the week. We do see daily images of common muslim peoples spreading messages of hate. Clerics advocating jihad and moderate scholars rationalizing and justifying violence. We also see little children growing up with a lifes dream of being a suicide bomber in the name of their God. These are real and undisputable facts associated with muslim faith. And it is undeniable that the muslim faith is the most violent in the world. Yes, there are good muslims just as there are bad christians but the facts don't change. Just look at the rhetoric of the President of Iran.

What can the moderate muslims of the world do to improve the image of the faith? Rise up and wage JIHAD against those redical elements and show the outrage. Take your faith back and PROVE Islam to be a faith of peace. Until moderate muslims take responsibility and reclaim Islam from the radicals, the world will continue to view Islam as a religion of violence. Continued violence only confirms what many believe.

Real and indisputable facts eh? The media isn't truth, merely an interpretation of it. What we see on TV isn't all there is, and we should never accept it as such.

Again, there is a big difference between moderate muslims, not only in the middle east but in Europe and the US, and the US who's views are rarely, if ever communicated in the news media. That's not necessarily due to desire against speaking out - but because the media chooses to focus its eye predominantly on the fundamentalist elements.

Here's an article from todays news in which a British muslim leader expresses outrage over the actions of the protesters. Is this man a 'west-hating' fundamentalist?

So, the thugs spreading violence and hate aren't real people? They're just actors employed by the media?

no...the do not represent the majority muslim population..just like the Klan does not represent christians..or the church in Kansas that protests at service men killed in iraq burial

And how Borat doesn't necessarily represent Kazakhstan.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, the thugs spreading violence and hate aren't real people? They're just actors employed by the media?

Um no.... Did I say that?