US birth certificate after Naturalization and name change?

[Marrienne 112]

6 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Any time you're in Greece you will only be considered a Greek citizen even if you show your US passport on entry. If you get in legal trouble in Greece or required to go through military service, US embassy / consulate won't help you! Only when you go through formal citizenship renounciation in Greece you will no longer be Greek. On the other hand, soon enough US travellers will have to pay fees and fill forms to visit EU. But if you travel to EU on Greek passport you would not have to do it plus you would have unlimited time in EU and not 90 days (on US passport). 

Lol, good to know. Not that I will ever visit that ***hole of a country again. 🤣

Not even on vacation. I can't stand their system and their "who cares?" attitude. 

 

Any why wouldn't the US help you if you get in trouble?

When you take the Oath you pledge to denounce all loyalties to other countries and you should have the same rights as other US citizens, since you are expected to have all the duties and obligations too. Then what's the point of becoming a citizen? (Just philosophical questions)

[Marrienne 112]

Ha... looks like Greece will allow dual citizenship as I knew but also: 
LOSS OF THE GREEK NATIONALITY

The following cases discharge the individual from his Greek nationality:
(A) Obtaining a foreign nationality
Everyone who obtains foreign nationality or accepts public service in a foreign country, if the acceptance entails the obtaining of the nationality of that foreign country."

So... which is it? Make up your mind Grece!!

[M+K IL 102]

35 minutes ago, EM_Vandaveer said:

Of course the names don't match... That's very common especially with women. My current legal name also doesn't match my birth name because I took my husband's surname. Your birth certificate always shows your birth name. The fact that you were born with that name doesn't change even if your legal name does.

Indeed. Showing birth certificate together with a proof of legal name change (i.e. either marriage license or the court document) should be fine.

 

We have a related situation - we (the parents) are changing our names, and our old names are on our son's birth certificate. We'll have to see (but it's a low priority) if we can get that reissued, as well as our marriage certificate, but very few places we plan to visit would ever want to see our marriage license (Google 'hotel raid unmarried couples' at your own risk)

 

[OldUser 6,647]

55 minutes ago, Marrienne said:

Ha... looks like Greece will allow dual citizenship as I knew but also: 
LOSS OF THE GREEK NATIONALITY

The following cases discharge the individual from his Greek nationality:
(A) Obtaining a foreign nationality
Everyone who obtains foreign nationality or accepts public service in a foreign country, if the acceptance entails the obtaining of the nationality of that foreign country."

So... which is it? Make up your mind Grece!!

The loss of citizenship is not automatic in most countries. Either Greek government initiates it after learning you committed a crime etc and no longer wants you to be a Greek. Or you initiate it by filing proper papers and paying fees. Until that process is done, even if you don't have their passport, you're their citizen for life.

Edited August 22, 2023 by OldUser

[OldUser 6,647]

1 hour ago, Marrienne said:

Any why wouldn't the US help you if you get in trouble?

Because countries agreed how to act when dual citizen is in this situation. US acknoledges Greece has authority over you because you're their citizen. I'm 99% sure Constitution of Greece mentions that no matter if you have other citizensips, they consider you Greek until you renounce it.

 

Same would happen if US citizen naturalized in France. US would not intervene usually, unless it's a big politician etc.

 

Same would apply to you in the US, you wouldn't be able to show your Greek passport and ask for their help if US authorities detain you (of course I know you wouldn't do it since you don't like Greece). Just giving an example 

Edited August 22, 2023 by OldUser

[M+K IL 102]

1 hour ago, Marrienne said:

Ha... looks like Greece will allow dual citizenship as I knew but also: 
LOSS OF THE GREEK NATIONALITY

The following cases discharge the individual from his Greek nationality:
(A) Obtaining a foreign nationality
Everyone who obtains foreign nationality or accepts public service in a foreign country, if the acceptance entails the obtaining of the nationality of that foreign country."

So... which is it? Make up your mind Grece!!

I'm a fan of this site - as it provides concise information on whether dual citizenship is allowed in many countries (though I'd use that as a springboard to dive into details more to verify): https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/greece/

Seems like it's allowed per law 4251/2014 -- so it might be recent? Any chance the passage you quote cites the relevant law, maybe it's simply out of date.

The situation you cited is very similar to Indonesia - the process of losing citizenship is, as @OldUser noted, not automatic, but if you ever try to exercise your rights (e.g. using the Indonesian passport, or inheriting lands / companies) and are found out to have a second nationality, they revoke it.

Edited August 22, 2023 by M+K IL

[Boiler 45,486]

A lot of Greeks moved even before the EU, I simply cannot believe a EU country would have issue with multiple citizenships.

[M+K IL 102]

1 hour ago, Marrienne said:

Lol, good to know. Not that I will ever visit that ***hole of a country again. 🤣

Not even on vacation. I can't stand their system and their "who cares?" attitude. 

 

Any why wouldn't the US help you if you get in trouble?

When you take the Oath you pledge to denounce all loyalties to other countries and you should have the same rights as other US citizens, since you are expected to have all the duties and obligations too. Then what's the point of becoming a citizen? (Just philosophical questions)

Apparently you *might* get some assistance, provided your other nationality allows citizens to enter via another passport (e.g. the US passport). Some countries do, some countries don't (not sure if Greece allows it or not)

Per the State Department guidance:https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/before-you-go/travelers-with-special-considerations/Dual-Nationality-Travelers.html

 

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Limited U.S. Assistance Abroad: Local authorities may not recognize your U.S. nationality if you are also a national of that country, especially if you did not enter the country using your U.S. passport. The U.S. embassy or consulate’s ability to provide consular assistance may be limited.

 

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

On 8/22/2023 at 7:45 PM, Boiler said:

A lot of Greeks moved even before the EU, I simply cannot believe a EU country would have issue with multiple citizenships.

Netherlands & Spain don't allow it. (Spain has some exception, countries with which it's allowed.)

In Germany you have to get a special permission to retain your citizenship before you obtain another one.