[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[Family 4,065]

Trump permits Jan. 6-related lawsuits against him to advance — for now

The former president decided against asking the Supreme Court to intervene and declare him immune but signaled he may challenge the suits later.

 

That means at least three lawsuits brought against him in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol can advance to the next phase — a period of limited evidence-gathering related to Trump’s activities on Jan. 6, 2021 and whether they were official or political in nature.

 

The lawsuits — brought by members of Congress and police officers scarred by the attack — have been pending since 2021 but delayed amid Trump’s bid for the courts to declare him immune from lawsuits related to his actions as president

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/15/trump-jan-6-civil-immunity-00141851

[Family 4,065]

How will Donald Trump pay the $438m he owes in penalties from civil trials?

Two giant penalties handed down in a matter of weeks will cost him millions – and that’s only part of what he could owe

• Full report: Trump ordered to pay over $350m in New York fraud case

In a matter of weeks, Donald Trump was hit with two giant penalties from two civil trials in New York – $83m for defamation against the writer E Jean Carroll and $354.9m for inflating the value of his assets on government financial statements.

The verdicts combined will cost him some $438m, and that’s only part of what Trump could owe across numerous lawsuits. The payments will probably create a sizable dent in his wallet

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/how-will-trump-pay-trial-penalties

Edited February 16 by Family

[Pooky 3,818]

1 hour ago, Family said:

How will Donald Trump pay the $438m he owes in penalties from civil trials?

Both will get appealed and, once they’re out of the heavily-weighted battlegrounds they were tried in, it is to be hoped some semblance of rationality might set in.

 

Especially in the “fraud” case, which represents a victimless crime, the judgement seems designed to either be appealed, or be featured in an episode of Ridiculousness on MTV. 😒

[Family 4,065]

12 minutes ago, Pooky said:

Both will get appealed and, once they’re out of the heavily-weighted battlegrounds they were tried in, it is to be hoped some semblance of rationality might set in.

 

Especially in the “fraud” case, which represents a victimless crime, the judgement seems designed to either be appealed, or be featured in an episode of Ridiculousness on MTV. 😒

Ah..perhaps he will be accorded a speedy appellate process ..though not sure he wants a quick decision 

[Pooky 3,818]

37 minutes ago, Family said:

Ah..perhaps he will be accorded a speedy appellate process ..though not sure he wants a quick decision 

The continuing legal exposure seems to be doing his polling numbers the world of good. Probably NOT what the DNC/Never Trumpers envisaged when these balls started rolling. 🤔

[Family 4,065]

5 hours ago, Pooky said:

The continuing legal exposure seems to be doing his polling numbers the world of good. Probably NOT what the DNC/Never Trumpers envisaged when these balls started rolling. 🤔

True that. To half the country he was and is a slimeball …to the other he is hailed as a Warren Jeffss. Go figure😂

[Dashinka 24,635]

16 hours ago, Pooky said:

Both will get appealed and, once they’re out of the heavily-weighted battlegrounds they were tried in, it is to be hoped some semblance of rationality might set in.

 

Especially in the “fraud” case, which represents a victimless crime, the judgement seems designed to either be appealed, or be featured in an episode of Ridiculousness on MTV. 😒

I suspect the judgement was so that this judge gets himself invited to the right parties in NYC.

[TBoneTX 45,598]

7 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I suspect the judgement was so that this judge gets himself invited to the right parties in NYC.

From what I've read of this case, the judge had his mind made up beforehand and is rather supercilious.

[TBoneTX 45,598]

Editorial's title is almost as long as the text, but this piece is dead-nuts on.

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Dem elites shouldn't be laughing at Trump's civil trial outcome — they just made him a political martyr

 

Was there ever a more predictable outcome than that of Donald Trump's civil trial?  [...]

 

https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/opinion/dem-elites-shouldnt-be-laughing-at-trumps-civil-trial-outcome-they-just-made-him-a-political-martyr/

[Dashinka 24,635]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

Editorial's title is almost as long as the text, but this piece is dead-nuts on.

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Dem elites shouldn't be laughing at Trump's civil trial outcome — they just made him a political martyr

 

Was there ever a more predictable outcome than that of Donald Trump's civil trial?  [...]

 

https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/opinion/dem-elites-shouldnt-be-laughing-at-trumps-civil-trial-outcome-they-just-made-him-a-political-martyr/

And apparently according to this judge, only tax assessment valuation on property can be used by a company to get a loan.  Seems pretty socialist to me.

Edited February 18 by Dashinka

[TBoneTX 45,598]

This is a powerful summation, worth a read.

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The New York judge's non-legal, hyper-partisan ruling will only make Trump stronger

 

One of the tricks of knowing when a leftist judge is pulling a fast one is if the decision is really, really long.  Doing this, as W.S. Gilbert would have said, is intended to "lend an air of verisimilitude to an otherwise unconvincing narrative."  In modern English: it hides the dishonesty.  The fact that Judge Arthur Engoron, who repeatedly showed his partisan stripes, needed 92 pages to impose an almost $400 million hit-job judgment against Trump is just another phase in the Democrat establishment's war against America.  This won’t harm Trump.  It will only make him greater.

 

Hiding behind the 92 pages of legal-sounding garbage are some simple facts.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/02/the_new_york_judges_nonlegal_hyperpartisan_ruling_will_only_make_trump_stronger.html

[TBoneTX 45,598]

Fraud Allegations and Financial Fiascos:  The Saga of Trump's Legal Battles

 

How do you spell "persecution?"  How about "D-o-n-a-l-d T-r-u-m-p?"  It sometimes seems that the entire judicial apparatus of the state has been mobilized against the man.  [...]

 

https://amgreatness.com/2024/02/18/fraud-allegations-and-financial-fiascos-the-saga-of-trumps-legal-battles/

[TBoneTX 45,598]

Jonathan Turley, about as outraged as he ever gets.

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Obscene award against Trump is testing the New York legal system's integrity

 

[...] Attorney General Letitia James declared not only that Trump would be barred from doing business in New York for three years, but that the damages would come to roughly $460 million once interest was included.

 

That makes the damages against Trump greater than the gross national product of some countries, including Micronesia.  Yet the court admitted that not a single dollar was lost by the banks from these dealings.  Indeed, witnesses testified that they wanted to do more business with Trump, who was described as [...]

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4473974-obscene-award-against-trump-is-testing-the-new-york-legal-systems-integrity/

[TBoneTX 45,598]

May come back to bite 'em.

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'Nothing to Worry About':  Kathy Hochul Tries to Reassure Businesses After Outrageous Trump Verdict

 

[...] Governor Kathy Hochul at least seems to be a little concerned that some businesses -- particularly real estate developers -- might not be looking to invest in her state after witnessing Engoron's ruling.  [...]

 

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/02/18/nothing-to-worry-about-kathy-hochul-tries-to-reassure-businesses-after-trump-verdict-n2393068

[Dashinka 24,635]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

May come back to bite 'em.

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'Nothing to Worry About':  Kathy Hochul Tries to Reassure Businesses After Outrageous Trump Verdict

 

[...] Governor Kathy Hochul at least seems to be a little concerned that some businesses -- particularly real estate developers -- might not be looking to invest in her state after witnessing Engoron's ruling.  [...]

 

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/02/18/nothing-to-worry-about-kathy-hochul-tries-to-reassure-businesses-after-trump-verdict-n2393068

I loved it when she said this (below).  The fact that what Trump did is standard practice in the NYC real-estate market, how can any business there really believe a politician, particularly a Democrat politician.

 

'I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they’re very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,' Hochul responded.