[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[Family 3,988]

Rift among the RICO 19 . as Trump racks up millions of $ from MAGA and others left to struggle on their own with massive legal defense costs. 

Trump lawyer and co-defendant Jenna Ellis says she won't support him due to his 'malignant narcissistic' tendencies

 

I simply can't support him for elected office again," Ellis said on her showon American Family Radio, a right-wing Christian network. "Why I have chosen to distance is because of that frankly malignant narcissistic tendency to simply say that he's never done anything wrong."

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lawyer-co-defendant-jenna-151858094.html

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Jonathan Turley.

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Jack Smith goes too far in trying to gag Donald Trump

 

[...] "a narrowly tailored order that imposes modest, permissible restrictions."

 

Those words were used by Special Counsel Jack Smith to propose a gag order that would sharply curtail the ability of former President Donald Trump to criticize Smith and his prosecution.

The Smith motion is anything but "narrowly tailored."

Indeed, short of a mobile "Get Smart" Cone of Silence, it is chilling to think of what Smith considered the broader option.  [...]

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/jack-smith-goes-too-far-in-trying-to-gag-donald-trump/

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Trump reportedly told aide, ‘You don’t know anything about the boxes’

 

It’s almost as if Trump was concerned about his assistant telling law enforcement the truth, so he took the legally dubious step of subtly encouraging her to play dumb.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-reportedly-told-aide-dont-know-anything-boxes-rcna105761

 

 

As described to ABC News, the aide, Molly Michael, told investigators that -- more than once -- she received requests or taskings from Trump that were written on the back of notecards, and she later recognized those notecards as sensitive White House materials -- with visible classification markings -- used to brief Trump while he was still in office about phone calls with foreign leaders or other international-related matters.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-wrote-lists-assistant-white-house-documents-marked/story?id=103226113

[Family 3,988]

I did not know grand jury can be questioned by defense…

 

Judge allows lawyers to interview grand jurors who indicted Trump, 18 others

https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-allows-lawyers-to-interview-grand-jurors-who-indicted-trump-18-others/7JWRUAEQ4RH5FKTGLSVXQWQWNA/

 

[Dashinka 24,475]

Why should there be secrets in grand jury proceedings?  Should the state be able to hide the dealings of their prosecutors?

[Family 3,988]

Attorneys for Kenneth Chesebro, a pro-Trump lawyer, argued the search warrant used to obtain emails from his MSN email account ahead of his indictment “is defective” and the search and seizure of the emails was “illegal.”

 

In their Fulton County Superior Court filing, Chesebro’s attorneys said Georgia rules only allow the use of search warrants where there is probable cause to believe that the evidence sought would otherwise be deleted.

But there was “no such concern” in this case, they argued, ”because months earlier Microsoft had archived all the e-mails in Fulton County Superior Court.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/trump-lawyer-chesebro-seeks-to-bar-emails-in-georgia-election-case.html

 

[Family 3,988]

Judge to hear arguments over scope of trial in New York's civil suit against Trump

The former president's lawyers want the state Supreme Court to dismiss the fraud lawsuit against the Trump family brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

 

During the pretrial hearing, New York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron will review a motion for a summary judgment by Trump's lawyers that was filed in late August, asking for the attorney general's complaint to be dismissed.

 

Trump's lawyers argued that the New York attorney general has "no valid authority" to sue, that the lawsuit was filed outside the statute of limitations and that James has “failed to demonstrate any even theoretical harm to anyone, public or private.”

James' office has asked the court to find the Trumps and their family business, the Trump Organization, liable for fraud even before the trial is set to begin Oct. 2. "The undisputed evidence establishes that Defendants employed a variety of deceptive schemes to grossly inflated values for many of Mr. Trump’s assets," her office wrote in a filing.

[Family 3,988]

On 9/20/2023 at 5:19 AM, Dashinka said:

Why should there be secrets in grand jury proceedings?  Should the state be able to hide the dealings of their prosecutors?

Grand jury proceedings are by definition secret ..

[Dashinka 24,475]

37 minutes ago, Family said:

Grand jury proceedings are by definition secret ..

Why should it be?  Do you know that only the US and Liberia use grand juries?  And in the US they are not used in every jurisdiction.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury

[Family 3,988]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Why should it be?  Do you know that only the US and Liberia use grand juries?  And in the US they are not used in every jurisdiction.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury

We have made it our own. Breaking secrecy is giving undue deference to this particular defendant..who incites his followers to threaten, harass and harm anyone/everyone from judge to witnesses.

 

After the Revolutionary War ended, the new federal constitution did not include a grand jury. Early American leaders such as John Hancock and James Madison objected. Thereafter, the grand jury was included in the Bill of Rights, as part of the Fifth Amendment, which states, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia when in actual service in time of war or public danger..."

 

From then, until today, the federal grand jury remains an integral part of the justice system, used by federal prosecutors for a variety of potential crimes. In 1801, a federal grand jury indicted Colonel Aaron Burr for treason. Most recently, federal grand juries considered allegations related to the Oklahoma City and New York Trade Center bombings, President Clinton's conduct both before and during his term of office, and the recent claims of wrongdoing by former California Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush and some associates.

 

https://www.glenn.courts.ca.gov/divisions/grand-jury/history-grand-jury

 

 

Why Prosecutors Choose Grand Juries Instead of Preliminary Hearings

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-prosecutors-choose-grand-juries-preliminary.html#:~:text=Grand Jury Proceedings Are Secret&text=The rule on secrecy is,it provides control of information.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Family

[Dashinka 24,475]

1 hour ago, Family said:

We have made it our own. Breaking secrecy is giving undue deference to this particular defendant..who incites his followers to threaten, harass and harm anyone/everyone from judge to witnesses.

 

After the Revolutionary War ended, the new federal constitution did not include a grand jury. Early American leaders such as John Hancock and James Madison objected. Thereafter, the grand jury was included in the Bill of Rights, as part of the Fifth Amendment, which states, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia when in actual service in time of war or public danger..."

 

From then, until today, the federal grand jury remains an integral part of the justice system, used by federal prosecutors for a variety of potential crimes. In 1801, a federal grand jury indicted Colonel Aaron Burr for treason. Most recently, federal grand juries considered allegations related to the Oklahoma City and New York Trade Center bombings, President Clinton's conduct both before and during his term of office, and the recent claims of wrongdoing by former California Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush and some associates.

 

https://www.glenn.courts.ca.gov/divisions/grand-jury/history-grand-jury

 

 

Why Prosecutors Choose Grand Juries Instead of Preliminary Hearings

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-prosecutors-choose-grand-juries-preliminary.html#:~:text=Grand Jury Proceedings Are Secret&text=The rule on secrecy is,it provides control of information.

I don’t really care about Trump, I am speaking in general.  Grand juries give prosecutors and the state too much power which is something that in the end is bad hence the overwhelming number of countries that disdain it.  So if we keep,using them, their proceedings should not be done in secret as nothing done by the state against its citizens and residents should be secret.

[Family 3,988]

Hearing and arguments on grand jury secrecy

 

 

[Family 3,988]

New York hearing indicates trial still set to start Oct 2, 2023
 

At times, Judge Arthur Engoron argued with Trump attorney Christopher Kise. In one case the judge ended a back-and-forth by simply saying, “Disagree.”

Later, the judge pounded his fist on the top of his bench in disagreement with Kise’s interpretation of one law, opining the intent of that law is, “You cannot make false statements

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-james-new-york-investment-fraud-ff102cde324ca748ed83dd0e66de28a0

 

[Dashinka 24,475]

On 9/23/2023 at 12:06 PM, Family said:

New York hearing indicates trial still set to start Oct 2, 2023
 

At times, Judge Arthur Engoron argued with Trump attorney Christopher Kise. In one case the judge ended a back-and-forth by simply saying, “Disagree.”

Later, the judge pounded his fist on the top of his bench in disagreement with Kise’s interpretation of one law, opining the intent of that law is, “You cannot make false statements

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-james-new-york-investment-fraud-ff102cde324ca748ed83dd0e66de28a0

 

Ahh, Michael Cohen again.    I guess it is the AP, although not really sure why you posted the Atlanta video with the story from NY.

 

If the trial proceeds, the attorney general’s office could call to the witness stand Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen

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Tulsi Gabbard Lets Democrats Have It Over Weaponizing Our Justice System for Political Gain

 

[...] she had some things to say about the Biden administration utilizing the American justice system to attack its political opponents, namely Republican nominee and former President Donald Trump.  The former congresswoman posted a clip on X decrying what she called the "obvious attempt" by Democrats to damage Trump before the 2024 elections.  [...]

 

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2023/09/25/tulsi-gabbard-lets-democrats-have-it-over-weaponizing-our-justice-system-for-political-gain-n2164258