[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[Family 4,065]

 

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Superman Jack Smith at it again.  What is the over-under on him being slapped down again

Our Hero may invoke some new powers from recent decision of the Supremes ..and I expect another superb Charging Doc smack down…in plain Everyman language.

 

IpMaybe Trump lawyers are burning the midnight oil with prep..cause the rape trial attorney was not worth a nickel.

[Family 4,065]

Trump faces additional charges in Mar-a-Lago documents case

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-charged-special-counsel-jack-smith-rcna96742

The federal indictment, filed in the Southern District of Florida, alleges that Trump was part of a scheme to delete security video and that a newly charged defendant — who was identified as a property manager at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence — told another employee that "the boss" wanted the server deleted.

 

That employee, Carlos De Oliveira, who was a maintenance supervisor at Mar-a-Lago, was charged Thursday

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The superseding indictment claims that Nauta and De Oliveira met up at a security guard booth where security video was displayed on monitors and that De Oliveira later stepped into an audio closet with another employee and had a conversation that De Oliveira said should be kept between them

 

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De Oliveira reiterated that "the boss" wanted it done and asked, "what are we going to do?" according to the indictment.

That conversation took place in late June 2022, just a few weeks before the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, the indictment says. After the search, it alleges, Nauta called another Trump employee and asked about De Oliveira. The unnamed Trump employee told Nauta that De Oliveira was loyal and would not do anything to affect his relationship with Trump, according to the indictment.

Nauta later wrote in a Signal chat with the representative of a Trump PAC that De Oliveira was loyal, and Trump later called De Oliveira and told the maintenance worker that Trump would get him a lawyer, the indictment says.

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[Pooky 3,821]

32 minutes ago, Family said:

… Trump was part of a scheme to delete security video …

So how is this worthy of a federal indictment, where no actual documents were tampered with, yet destroying a server on which classified information was kept, in contravention of known protocols and by a White House appointee and so a person of lesser standing, is not.

 

if you wanted an example of a double standard in the application of the law, this is as clear as a punch in the face 😒

[Family 4,065]

26 minutes ago, Pooky said:

So how is this worthy of a federal indictment

 

Trump "requested" deletion of security footage: The indictment accuses Trump of being part of the effort to delete security footage from Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort, after it was subpoenaed, saying that Trump “requested” that a resort employee delete footage in order “to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-2020-election-probe/index.html

[Pooky 3,821]

32 minutes ago, Family said:

 

Trump "requested" deletion of security footage: The indictment accuses Trump of being part of the effort to delete security footage from Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort, after it was subpoenaed, saying that Trump “requested” that a resort employee delete footage in order “to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-2020-election-probe/index.html

Evading the point doesn’t lessen the glaring double standard playing out in full view of the public. The harder your “hero” pushes, the less likely he is to convince a jury to convict.

 

And all the while, DJT’s poll numbers will keep getting better, making Sleepy Joe look unable to win. Which begs the question, is this part of a political play to rig the 2024 Presidential Election?

[Family 4,065]

56 minutes ago, Pooky said:

1 hour ago, Family said:

 

Trump "requested" deletion of security footage: The indictment accuses Trump of being part of the effort to delete security footage from Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort, after it was subpoenaed, saying that Trump “requested” that a resort employee delete footage in order “to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-2020-election-probe/index.html

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Evading the point doesn’t lessen the glaring double standard playing out in full view of the public. The harder your “hero” pushes, the less likely he is to convince a jury to convict.

 

And all the while, DJT’s poll numbers will keep getting better, making Sleepy Joe look unable to win. Which begs the question, is this part of a political play to rig the 2024 Presidential Election?

Am not sure there are any points …other than Allegations , Evidence and ensuing trial of Defendant “the boss”  , His Man Nauta and new Loyal Boy. 
 

We will see legal challenges from defense lawyers at trial…as far as I can tell Poor Me…You Should go Catch the Other Guy..doesn’t usually work in court..even with a Trump appointed judge.

 

If he gets elected ..as a convicted felon ..well then as George Carlin puts it..it’s a reflection on the public/ people who vote for him..

[TBoneTX 45,604]

The security footage is his own private property.

And yes, the country was really endangered by moving documents internally under 24/7 Secret Service protection.   

[Family 4,065]

41 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

The security footage is his own private property.

And yes, the country was really endangered by moving documents internally under 24/7 Secret Service protection.  

I guess he could argue that …it’s mine and I can do what I want with it…but isn’t that a bit like how he got in this  mess..? The Boxes are Mine ,,all Mine! No one touches the Beautiful Mind Boxes! Subpoenas ..my foot! ..😂
 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Family

[Family 4,065]

Link ..The amended charging document filed today 07/27/2024. Details on Trump getting notice from his attorney that a  subpoena for security cameras tapes was served . Same day 2 hours later he makes the call to delete server and next day sends His Man Nauta to Mar Lago to take care of…business.

 

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf

 

[Dashinka 24,639]

Hmm, seems Superman Jack Smith is following a political playbook here.  Who could have guessed, after Hunter’s farce of a plea agreement fell apart, and it being covered by the Leftist media, we would not see Old Corrupt Joe, and his minion Garland directing Jack “Lex Luther” Smith to get Trump back front and center in the MSM.  I guess since Jack did not do his job initially, probably more grounds for delaying everything.

[Dashinka 24,639]

7 hours ago, Pooky said:

So how is this worthy of a federal indictment, where no actual documents were tampered with, yet destroying a server on which classified information was kept, in contravention of known protocols and by a White House appointee and so a person of lesser standing, is not.

 

if you wanted an example of a double standard in the application of the law, this is as clear as a punch in the face 😒

No doubt.  The DC elite are doing so much to destroy the reputation of the DOJ it is amazing.  I guess they feel there are enough gaslighted folks out there now it doesn’t really matter (I.e. they feel they have a firm grip on power).

 

 

[Family 4,065]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Hmm, seems Superman Jack Smith is following a political playbook here.  Who could have guessed, after Hunter’s farce of a plea agreement fell apart, and it being covered by the Leftist media, we would not see Old Corrupt Joe, and his minion Garland directing Jack “Lex Luther” Smith to get Trump back front and center in the MSM.  I guess since Jack did not do his job initially, probably more grounds for delaying everything.

The phenomenon of defending Trump , not by defending his innocence ( discussing the allegations/ evidence) but accepting guilt as So What If and This is a Good Time to rip Others ( Joe, Hunter, Hillary..The Deep, The Elite…etc)…a bit odd but yeah…it’s the only voice of die hard defenders

 

[Family 4,065]

Trump supporters speak

 

 and defend 

[Dashinka 24,639]

1 hour ago, Family said:

The phenomenon of defending Trump , not by defending his innocence ( discussing the allegations/ evidence) but accepting guilt as So What If and This is a Good Time to rip Others ( Joe, Hunter, Hillary..The Deep, The Elite…etc)…a bit odd but yeah…it’s the only voice of die hard defenders

 

Don't really care about Trump.  I do care about a two tier criminal justice system that you seem to be fine with.  Whatever, it is what it is.  For all we know, Trump is doing this to expose the system as it stands today.  Regardless, it was very predictable what happened yesterday that even Helen Keller could have seen it.  I am sure Superman Smith wanted a Jan. 6th indictment, but short of that, apparently he had these charges in his back pocket to be used when politically expedient.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Dashinka

[Family 4,065]

13 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Don't really care about Trump.  I do care about a two tier criminal justice system that you seem to be fine with.  Whatever, it is what it is.  For all we know, Trump is doing this to expose the system as it stands today.  Regardless, it was very predictable what happened yesterday that even Helen Keller could have seen it.  I am sure Superman Smith wanted a Jan. 6th indictment, but short of that, apparently he had these charges in his back pocket to be used when politically expedient.

Edited 13 hours ago by Dashinka

Some speculate Prosecutor may have a few aces up his sleeve left..such as the identity of Employee # 2 as a collaborating witness. ..
 

Considering the lies Trump keeps pushing on election fraud..who knows if Dominion won’t sue him as well .