[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[Dashinka 24,244]

16 hours ago, Family said:

We two agree here that impeachment #1 was for Trump looking for “dirt” on Biden..and of course asking foreign country to interfere…since he did not manage to dig up anything. ..actions were deemed worthy of impeachment. 
The what if’s of post probe / process align with repeated MAGA conspiracy theories bandied about. 
 

As old saying goes ,  “ If Auntie had b a l l s, she’d be Uncle”😂

Ahh, so basically the same as Old Corrupt Joe telling Ukraine they are not getting any aid until they fire a prosecutor so Old Joe could tell his foreign benefactors he was worth the money.  In Trump’s case though, I don’t think he was paid a bribe in advance.

 

As to the process of the first impeachment, even Jerry Nadler said it was highly irregular, due process and all, but Old Corrupt Nancy Pelosi knew she could not let Trump bring out the evidence against Old Corrupt Joe Biden in the House.

[Dashinka 24,244]

17 hours ago, Family said:

Not sure why there is so much walking back of what the Jan 6 demonstrators wanted to do: stop the assembled Congress ( our  lawmakers)  from transferring power. 
 

I doubt Hang Mike Pence was a little harmless humor. Historically these two headlines pretty much read the same.

 

 

 

 

January 6th was nothing more than a protest that got out of hand.  It is time to stop believing the gaslighting from the Leftist MSM.

 

 

[Family 3,911]

Some Republicans react to upcoming criminal charges :

 

Pence says Trump conduct around 2021 Capitol attack was reckless but not criminal

 

criminal.

"While his words were reckless, based on what I know, I am not yet convinced that they were criminal," Pence told CNN's "State of the Union."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pence-says-trump-conduct-around-2021-capitol-attack-was-reckless-not-criminal-2023-07-23/

[Family 3,911]

14 hours ago, Dashinka said:

January 6th was nothing more than a protest that got out of hand.  It is time to stop believing the gaslighting from the Leftist MSM.

I would guess this closing argument in trial of one prominent demonstrator..is is one source that points to a bit more:

 

Trump is to blame for Jan. 6 riot, Proud Boys leader’s lawyer says

 

In his closing argument, defense lawyer Nayib Hassan noted Tarrio wasn’t in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, having been banned from the capital after being arrested on allegations that he defaced a Black Lives Matter banner. Trump, Hassan argued, was the one to blame for exhorting a crowd outside the White House to “ fight like hell.”

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-04-25/trump-is-to-blame-for-jan-6-riot-proud-boys-leaders-lawyer-says

[Dashinka 24,244]

7 hours ago, Family said:

I would guess this closing argument in trial of one prominent demonstrator..is is one source that points to a bit more:

 

Trump is to blame for Jan. 6 riot, Proud Boys leader’s lawyer says

 

In his closing argument, defense lawyer Nayib Hassan noted Tarrio wasn’t in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, having been banned from the capital after being arrested on allegations that he defaced a Black Lives Matter banner. Trump, Hassan argued, was the one to blame for exhorting a crowd outside the White House to “ fight like hell.”

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-04-25/trump-is-to-blame-for-jan-6-riot-proud-boys-leaders-lawyer-says

So a lawyer defending his client raises a theory and you take it as truth.  You do know that lawyers often lie right?

[Dashinka 24,244]

7 hours ago, Family said:

Some Republicans react to upcoming criminal charges :

 

Pence says Trump conduct around 2021 Capitol attack was reckless but not criminal

 

criminal.

"While his words were reckless, based on what I know, I am not yet convinced that they were criminal," Pence told CNN's "State of the Union."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pence-says-trump-conduct-around-2021-capitol-attack-was-reckless-not-criminal-2023-07-23/

Hmm, so even Pence did not feel threatened.  I am amazed of the collective outrage of the DC elite, and in particular the Left/Dems.  Why was there no investigation of Nancy Pelosi and her role in keeping security from being updated so her daughter could make her film?

[Family 3,911]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Hmm, so even Pence did not feel threatened

His statement 

 

https://apnews.com/article/pence-trump-january-6-capitol-riot-carlson-1e38cb44d55737031ca528b4f33aa1fb#:~:text=“I had no right to,from confronting his former boss.

I had no right to overturn the election. And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.” Pence's remarks were the sharpest condemnation yet from the once-loyal lieutenant who has often shied away from confronting his former boss.Mar 11, 20

[Dashinka 24,244]

1 hour ago, Family said:

His statement 

 

https://apnews.com/article/pence-trump-january-6-capitol-riot-carlson-1e38cb44d55737031ca528b4f33aa1fb#:~:text=“I had no right to,from confronting his former boss.

I had no right to overturn the election. And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.” Pence's remarks were the sharpest condemnation yet from the once-loyal lieutenant who has often shied away from confronting his former boss.Mar 11, 20

So anyone saying let's go protest at the Capitol, or Scotus, or the WH is bad?  Did Trump say storm the Capitol?  Was Trump responsible for the security at the Capitol (I understand this falls to the House Speaker, remind me, who was that?)?  Whatever, January 6th was not a good look for anyone, but of course it is all Trump's fault for a protest that got out-of-control due to lax security.

[Family 3,911]

On 7/24/2023 at 7:41 AM, Dashinka said:

Did Trump say storm the Capitol

Yes.

 

On January 6, 2021, President Trump gave an incendiary speech to supporters, lamenting election fraud, urging them to march on the Capitol where Congress was certifying the victory of President Biden, and telling them to “fight like hell.” Critics of the president, including his own acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, blamed the remarks for the Capitol riot.

 

…Widely shared extreme rhetoric shifts the so-called “Overton Window,” signaling that an issue is now the subject of acceptable discourse when, in the past, discussing it might have been taboo. Prejudiced elite speech, one study found, is particularly powerful if other elites endorse it, emboldening audiences to declare their own prejudices and act on them accordingly. As one expert noted, referring to President Trump’s anti-Muslim and anti-Hispanic rhetoric: “The president’s rhetoric has helped to shift discourse norms in our country such that it is more acceptable among more people to denigrate and attack other groups of human beings.”

[Pooky 3,721]

On 7/24/2023 at 8:41 AM, Dashinka said:

Did Trump say storm the Capitol?

 

2 hours ago, Family said:

Yes.

No.

 

He was still giving his speech when protesters were already in the Capitol Building. 
 

As far as I know, mass time travel is still science fiction, not to mention there are a million and one more useful things to do if it was possible 😎

[Ban Hammer 13,203]

5 minutes ago, Pooky said:

 

not to mention there are a million and one more useful things to do if it was possible 😎

that list, with the most important, would start with
- make sure the parents of the inventor of the bra never meet.
- make sure hitler's parents never meet and stalin's parents never meet.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Ban Hammer

[Pooky 3,721]

15 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

that list, with the most important, would start with
- make sure the parents of the inventor of the bra never meet.
- make sure hitler's parents never meet and stalin's parents never meet.

With Hitler and Stalin, how do you know that the alternate timeline would not turn out to be worse without them?

[Ban Hammer 13,203]

39 minutes ago, Pooky said:

With Hitler and Stalin, how do you know that the alternate timeline would not turn out to be worse without them?

which is why i ranked them in the #2 spot.  that guy in the #1 slot needs to go.

[TBoneTX 44,913]

8 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

that guy in the #1 slot needs to go

Si, man.   

[TBoneTX 44,913]

This is easy reading and seems very circumspect.  Comments?

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Biden's Relentless Lawfare Against Trump Could Backfire

 

In 1887, eminent thinker Wallace F. Campbell, writing in The North American Review, introduced the often-used term of today: The Court of Public Opinion.  [...]

 

https://tippinsights.com/bidens-relentless-lawfare-against-trump-could-backfire/