[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[TBoneTX 45,604]

I like that we can disagree respectfully in this thread.   

[Family 4,065]

4 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

I like that we can disagree respectfully in this thread.   

 

16 minutes ago, Family said:

2 hours ago, Pooky said:

The “They” being referred to here are law enforcement, government department paramilitaries (EPA and FBI SWAT teams anyone?) and the National Guard, filled by the actual military upon declaration of martial law.

 

Uunlike what happened when BLM and Antifa were the actual rioters.

Thank you. I did catch that

Typo above…meant I did NOT catch that

[Family 4,065]

9 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

like that we can disagree respectfully in this thread.  

One lone Democrat and Five Feisty Republicans…what could possibly go wrong 😂

[Pooky 3,821]

27 minutes ago, Family said:

One lone Democrat and Five Feisty Republicans…what could possibly go wrong 😂

I take umbrage at being labeled as feisty! 🤬

 

We Independents tend to be mild-mannered, cerebral and prone to bouts of intense donut-eating 😋

[Family 4,065]

5 hours ago, Pooky said:

Jack Smith is no Babe Ruth

Ok,,perhaps a little Clark Kent, then 😂

He  has gone after Democrats and Republicans alike, headed a nice sounding public integrity division and has lived outside the US since 2018.

 

https://www.kcra.com/article/who-is-jack-smith-special-counsel-trump-investigations/42008551

Smith oversaw corruption cases as chief of the Justice Department's public integrity unit from 2010 to 2015.

Smith was the head of the section when the department failed to convict former senator and vice-presidential candidate John Edwards, a Democrat, in a corruption case in 2012 and when then-Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, a Republican, was indicted in 2014. He also oversaw the investigation into former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Republican, closing the probe in 2010 without bringing charges.

Smith would go on to serve as an assistant U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee, taking over as acting U.S. attorney in early 2017. He became vice president of litigation for the Hospital Corporation of America later that year.

In recent years, Smith lived outside of the United States as the chief prosecutor for the special court in The Hague, a role he assumed in 2018 in which he investigated war crimes in Kosovo. 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Family

[TBoneTX 45,604]

2 hours ago, Family said:

One lone Democrat and Five Feisty Republicans…what could possibly go wrong 😂

There have been no ad hominem attacks against one another.  It's closer to "I disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it."

[TBoneTX 45,604]

This is one of the best pieces on the topic that I've seen.  Your comments?

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Are Conservative Defenses of Trump Just 'Whataboutism'?

 

[...] The Democrats [...] assert that comparisons do not excuse lawlessness — as if that ends the discussion.  It does not, because it misses the point.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/07/are_conservative_defenses_of_trump_just_whataboutism.html

[TBoneTX 45,604]

Trump Indicted For Murder Of Tupac

 

LAS VEGAS — The infamous unsolved murder of rapper Tupac Shakur on the streets of Las Vegas, once thought to be a hit by the Southside Crips, is now believed to be the work of none other than former President Donald J. Trump, who authorities believe acted alone.  Trump has been indicted for the murder.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-the-1996-murder-of-tupac-shakur

[TBoneTX 45,604]

Trump Campaign Hoping To Lock Up GOP Nomination With Third Indictment

 

PALM BEACH, FL — With news of a third indictment soon to be handed down by the Department of Justice, insiders at Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign are hopeful it will be enough to clinch the Republican nomination.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-campaign-hoping-to-lock-up-gop-nomination-with-third-indictment

[Dashinka 24,639]

7 hours ago, Family said:

One lone Democrat and Five Feisty Republicans…what could possibly go wrong 😂

Feel free to go into the Biden thread and defend his slow, steady and corrupt ways.

 

Btw, I am a confirmed Independent.  I have a history of voting for Democrats in the past, but in their current direction (racist identity politics), I cannot support them.  I also believe a lot of GOP members in DC are very bad, but for some reason the overwhelming share of the DC elite are Leftist/Democrats and that includes a lot of the bureaucracy.  Now of course we see some respectable bureaucrats occasionally like the most recent IRS agents, but mostly DC is all about protecting the political elite.  This should not happen.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Dashinka

[Family 4,065]

7 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Trump Indicted For Murder Of Tupac

 

LAS VEGAS — The infamous unsolved murder of rapper Tupac Shakur on the streets of Las Vegas, once thought to be a hit by the Southside Crips, is now believed to be the work of none other than former President Donald J. Trump, who authorities believe acted alone.  Trump has been indicted for the murder.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-the-1996-murder-of-tupac-shakur

 

Trump Receives Target Letter In January 6th Investigation

 

PublishedYesterday

 

 

 

Former President Donald Trump received a letter informing him that he is a target of the Justice Department’s investigation into efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. What do you think?

“It’s suspicious that they already had his address.”

SEYMOUR BIDDLE, MEDICAL EXAMINER

 

“Opening and reading a letter sounds like something Donald Trump would do, sure.”

ROSE NICHOLS, VOLUNTEER RECRUITER

https://www.theonion.com/trump-receives-target-letter-in-january-6th-investigati-1850656867

[Family 4,065]

10 hours ago, Pooky said:

We Independents

 

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I am a confirmed Independent

Clearly I am guilty of mislabeling and abuse of preferred nouns! Profuse apologies 😂….the ardent defense of criminal acts alleged had me foxed.

[Pooky 3,821]

1 hour ago, Family said:

Profuse apologies 😂….the ardent defense of criminal acts alleged had me foxed.

I believe I have been very careful at not defending criminal acts. If the evidence supports the conclusion that what DJT did was indeed criminal, he should be prosecuted accordingly.

 

What I will defend is his right to equal process under the law, which it is quite evident has not been and will not be afforded him.

 

if he is to be prosecuted, then make it a clean prosecution, not driven by hyper-partisan political grandstanding and questionable ethical and moral practices, as has been the whole drive to prosecute him for something, anything, thus far.

 

in addition, the long arm of the law needs to be applied equally. So far, only DJT has been subject to this level of persecution. For similar offenses, some even more egregious, those on the opposite side of the political aisle have skated free, through lack of “intent”, lack of mental capacity and sheer Democrat-ness. The law is supposed to be blind, but the current drive to avoid prosecuting crimes from the left is driving the disillusionment of the American public. This session of the Supreme Court has been the most bipartisan in a while, but you wouldn’t know it through all the screaming from the Left.

 

America cannot survive without some semblance of fairness and balance in the justice system.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,639]

2 hours ago, Family said:

 

Clearly I am guilty of mislabeling and abuse of preferred nouns! Profuse apologies 😂….the ardent defense of criminal acts alleged had me foxed.

I have no preferred pronouns, fee free to use what ever you want. I am not a Leftist snowflake that gets offended by stupid stuff.  Back in my firefighter days, I was called a lot of things and never once ever thought to complain to anyone.  I guess we have much weaker folks now.  Progress?

 

Like @Pooky, I never once defended any criminal acts that Trump may have committed, and only commented on the two tier system for the DC elite and those that do not belong in that club.  Trump and many others are not deemed worthy of the DC club that allows for justifiable corruption which you seem to be so eager to defend or at the very least not acknowledge is occurring.  Let's have one system of Justice and no special treatments for anyone please.  I am game for that, but I want to see an example, indict Joe Biden for mishandling and disseminating classified information, then Hillary, then Trump, and then Pence (although I am not certain that Trump or Pence disseminated anything).

Edited July 20, 2023 by Dashinka

[Family 4,065]

13 hours ago, Pooky said:

14 hours ago, Family said:

Profuse apologies 😂….the ardent defense of criminal acts alleged had me foxed.

I believe I have been very careful at not defending criminal acts. If the evidence supports the conclusion that what DJT did was indeed criminal, he should be prosecuted accordingly.

 

What I will defend is his right to equal process under the law, which it is quite evident has not been and will not be afforded him.

 

if he is to be prosecuted, then make it a clean prosecution, not driven by hyper-partisan political grandstanding and questionable ethical and moral practices, as has been the whole drive to prosecute him for something, anything, thus far.

I think  his base accepts that he was just found guilty of sexual assault and doesn’t bat an eye at the fact that he raped a woman..

 

And let’s not beat around the bush, Jan 6 was a failed coup He  didn’t get enough support to see it through ( military declined martial  law , in house resistance from Pence and others).

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…and take your chances finding like minded jury peers.

 

Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist

But Judge Lewis Kaplan called Trump’s semantic argument “entirely unpersuasive.” He clarified that the jury found that the former president did indeed “rape” Carroll

https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist

Potential jurors share strong feelings about Trump ahead of trial over Michael Cohen’s legal fees

 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-michael-cohen-lawsuit-millions-legal-fees-ec05ea69298cc4567e94c48b886e7628

Then the judge asked the assembled group, all New Yorkers, whether they had strong opinions about former President Donald Trump or his family members. A few people snickered. More than half raised their hands

 

Did we get everyone?” Judge Cohen asked as he tallied the responses. “I feel like an auctioneer here.”