[Master Thread] Federal & State Charges Against Pres. Trump [merged]

[Family 3,988]

15 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Here is the big question, any past President contains a great deal of “classified” or “top secret” information in their heads.  How are they stopped from relaying that information to anyone?

Ex Presidents do remain valuable assets and we provide lifetime protection so the secrets in their head don’t end up in the hands of Unfriendlies..like Russia or North Korea..but oh, wait Trump really likes those fellows …nonetheless plenty others out there.

 

I would also assume , Ex Presidents play by the rules and respect the solemn oaths they took to protect those secrets …not spill them to every Tom ####### And Harry on the porch ..

[Family 3,988]

13 hours ago, Crazy Cat said:

and Secretary of State Pantsuit kept classified information in her home on internet-connected computers......but I guess no prosecutor would charge that crime.  What a joke and obvious political persecution of Trump this is.  Biden will regret this... Mark my words

When I was a child and lMom caught me red handed in a mischief …I often tried arguing “ But Ma..Johnny sneaked 3 cookies and he told a fib and never got grounded..it’s Not Fait!”

 

It never worked…

but this does seem to be the go to defense for the conduct 

[Family 3,988]

9 hours ago, Pooky said:

DOJ misconduct? An attempted shakedown of Nauta’s lawyer, reported in a sealed letter to D.C. District Chief Judge James Boasberg?

 

At the end of the day, this could go very badly for the DOJ.

 

Which would be nice. 😁

I do believe the police can even lie during a criminal interrogation/ investigation…but they have a nicer word “ deceptive practices “ in the course of investigation. And courts do give leeway .

Every investigator has probably uttered “ Talk if you know what’s good for you..” and likely list the litany of Bad Things . 
I would assume some s strong arm tactics are a reality.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/deception-police

Detecting is a process that moves from investigation, often through interrogation, and then to police testimony in court. Police are offered considerable latitude by the courts during the investigation stage. This includes the use of informants, court-approved wiretapping, and undercover work. This latitude to deceive carries over into the interrogation and testimonial stages as a subculturally supported norm among officers. While physical coercion (beatings, torture, etc.) is clearly prohibited by the courts in police interrogations, psychological intimidation and various forms of deception are permitted once a suspect has consented to be interrogated, provided any information provided by the suspect appears to be voluntary.

[Family 3,988]

Investigation continues ..apparently Trump wanted to force military action and impose Martial Law on the nation, when he lost.

Charging Document ll coming soon to a jurisdiction near you!


Exclusive: Special counsel prosecutors question witnesses about chaotic Oval Office meeting after Trump lost the 2020 election

 

During the heated Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020, outside advisers faced off with top West Wing attorneys over a plan to have the military seize voting machines in crucial states that Trump had lost. They also discussed naming Powell as special counsel to investigate supposed voter fraud, and Trump invoking martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election. 

Shouting and insults ensued; the night ended with Trump tweeting that a coming gathering in Washington, DC, on January 6, 2021, to protest the election results “will be wild.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/06/politics/oval-office-meeting-trump-special-counsel-probe/index.html

[Pooky 3,780]

58 minutes ago, Family said:

I do believe the police can even lie during a criminal interrogation/ investigation…but they have a nicer word “ deceptive practices “ in the course of investigation. And courts do give leeway .

Every investigator has probably uttered “ Talk if you know what’s good for you..” and likely list the litany of Bad Things . 
I would assume some s strong arm tactics are a reality.

All of which is vastly different to threatening a defendant’s attorney that their application to be a D.C. Superior Court judge could be impacted if he could not get his client to testify against Trump.

 

Courts take a very dim view of that tactic, which, if found to have merit, can constitute attempted witness tampering, attempted federal bribery, attempted extortion by a federal official, or attempted subornation of perjury, all of which are serious federal crimes.

 

This has got precisely nothing to do with detective work.

[Crazy Cat 41,802]

9 hours ago, Family said:

When I was a child and lMom caught me red handed in a mischief …I often tried arguing “ But Ma..Johnny sneaked 3 cookies and he told a fib and never got grounded..it’s Not Fait!”

 

It never worked…

but this does seem to be the go to defense for the conduct 

You think I'm that petty?  A 2-tiered justice system at the Federal government level is unlawful.....

Edited July 7, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[Ban Hammer 13,326]

is it just me that thinks the media keeps the public so focused on "anything and everything about trump" so the public

is preoccupied like a dog with a new squeaky toy and unable to think about the biden administration?

[Dashinka 24,476]

15 hours ago, Family said:

Ex Presidents do remain valuable assets and we provide lifetime protection so the secrets in their head don’t end up in the hands of Unfriendlies..like Russia or North Korea..but oh, wait Trump really likes those fellows …nonetheless plenty others out there.

 

I would also assume , Ex Presidents play by the rules and respect the solemn oaths they took to protect those secrets …not spill them to every Tom ####### And Harry on the porch ..

So it is much better for a career politician to sell the secrets or their influence?  I get it, don’t want to upset the swamp dwellers in DC.

[Dashinka 24,476]

15 hours ago, Family said:

When I was a child and lMom caught me red handed in a mischief …I often tried arguing “ But Ma..Johnny sneaked 3 cookies and he told a fib and never got grounded..it’s Not Fait!”

 

It never worked…

but this does seem to be the go to defense for the conduct 

So you are saying some “special” folks should be treated differently by the US criminal Justice system?  Maybe you should read the way Gal Luft is being treated.

 

The simple fact is your straw man is immaterial when compared to how the Justice system is supposed to be used in this country, but you apparently think otherwise if it agrees with your politics.

[Dashinka 24,476]

3 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

is it just me that thinks the media keeps the public so focused on "anything and everything about trump" so the public

is preoccupied like a dog with a new squeaky toy and unable to think about the biden administration?

That certainly seems to be the case, and with those that are easily gaslighted by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc., it is simple to run that type of gambit.

[Pooky 3,780]

Just now, Dashinka said:

That certainly seems to be the case, and with those that are easily gaslighted by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc., it is simple to run that type of gambit.

It’s a new variant of ADOS that they’re calling ADOT …

 

Attention Deficit … Ooh! Trump!

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

On 7/6/2023 at 2:37 PM, TBoneTX said:

Maybe this can detect the misspelling information stored in the head of NB, too!   

A lot of the world's to genus also had speeling problems 

[TBoneTX 45,241]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

genus

So to which genus, phylum, etc. do you belong?

[Family 3,988]

11 hours ago, Dashinka said:

On 7/6/2023 at 8:12 PM, Family said:

When I was a child and lMom caught me red handed in a mischief …I often tried arguing “ But Ma..Johnny sneaked 3 cookies and he told a fib and never got grounded..it’s Not Fait!”

 

It never worked…

but this does seem to be the go to defense for the conduct 

So you are saying some “special” folks should be treated differently by the US criminal Justice system?  Maybe you should read the way Gal Luft is being treated.

 

The simple fact is your straw man is immaterial when compared to how the Justice system is supposed to be used in this country, but you apparently think otherwise if it agrees with your politics.

The charges in the classified documents allege some very serious and disturbing criminal actions by Trump.
While it may not bother the MAGA enthusiasts , do make allowances for the fact that there are a great many people who are appalled …more so when one considers the evidence is Texts, Tapes and Witness Testimony.

 

In this instance he was treated with kid gloves by NARA for a year and a half. ..and given “special folk” deference. His Own Wise legal counsel advised him to return the Boxes.
He LIED …

He did not get a new lawyer, pot up a legal fight , argue Clinton Sox …he just LIED ( and put 2 attorneys licenses in jeopardy). 
 

If DOJ did not prosecute..they would surely be remiss in their duty.

 

As for ..but look the Other Guy did worse and Woeth Me..Why is everyone picking on Me …..I acknowledge it for what it is, effective /catchy /repeated snippets for his supporters/base.

 

I don’t quite know how to draw a comparison w the Gal Luft treatment. Remember he approached the Trump Admins DOJ with his claims ( four years ago)…if Trump could have found something, he would have jumped on it faster than a tick on a mangy dog. 
 

[Family 3,988]

12 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So it is much better for a career politician to sell the secrets or their influence?  I get it, don’t want to upset the swamp dwellers in DC.

As history ( and Shakespeare) shows us, swamp creatures simply get swapped  by the winner’s creatures. ..

https://www.history.com/news/6-infamous-political-conspiracies

6 Infamous Political Conspiracies

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